From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: "... the window start at a meaningless point within a line."
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2015 13:16:03 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83h9maao7w.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151001094138.GA2515@acm.fritz.box>
> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 09:41:38 +0000
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
>
> > > In the Elisp manual, page "Window Start and End", it's described how, if
> > > in (set-window-start x) x is a position not at the start of a line, the
> > > display engine will, instead of x, choose some value near x as the
> > > window start. Is this really necessary?
>
> > The reason for this is that we want the physical beginning of the line
> > (i.e. the character after a newline or at bob) always be aligned at
> > the left edge of the window's text area, even if it is currently out
> > of view. This prevents annoying horizontal scrolling of long lines
> > when the beginning of the line comes into view.
>
> OK. But we're really talking here about where continuation lines start,
> not physical BOLs.
The display engine always starts from the physical BOL when it lays
out buffer text. That's because only at a physical BOL it knows that
the window-relative X coordinate is zero. Otherwise, there's no
anchor for it to start at.
Invalidating this basic assumption will cause strange effects,
including the horizontal scrolling I mentioned.
> > But let me turn the table and ask you: how difficult would it be to
> > make sure follow-mode never lets a window end in the middle of a
> > continued line?
>
> In the worst case, very difficult. Indeed, with three follow windows,
> all of slightly different widths, and a fiendish specially constructed
> file, it could be that when you scroll the buffer a single screen line to
> deal with a break between W1 and W2, you create the same problem between
> W2 and W3. In such a scenario, you might end up scrolling the buffer
> quite a long way in the search for no "broken" continued lines at either
> boundary. With such a file there might be NO position where there isn't
> a break.
Are you talking about lines so long that they take more than one
window-full to display? If so, let's not bother about those for the
moment. Do you see such problem with reasonably short lines?
> In real life? I imagine it's quite common to use Follow Mode with very
> narrow windows (say, four at ~60 wide) when the annoyance of continued
> lines is less important than seeing all of a long function on the screen
> at once. There will then be lots of continued lines, and 3 window
> boundaries, W1-W2, W2-W3, W3-W4.
I don't expect "lots", except in text buffers. Program sources
usually have shorter lines. In any case, it would be rare to see
lines that take more than 2 screen lines.
> If we were to go this route (of repositioning to avoid line breaks
> between follow windows), there would have to be a limit on how far one
> could scroll, with a value such as 3.
In what units? Screen lines? Why only 3?
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Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-09-30 20:45 "... the window start at a meaningless point within a line." Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-01 8:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-01 9:41 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-01 10:16 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2015-10-01 11:02 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-01 12:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-01 16:35 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-15 18:16 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-15 20:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-16 9:55 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-16 10:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-16 15:19 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-16 17:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-16 20:46 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-17 7:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-17 7:56 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-16 21:14 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-16 17:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-16 18:12 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-16 18:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-16 18:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-16 20:12 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-17 8:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-17 11:57 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-17 12:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-17 13:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-17 14:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-18 15:00 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-18 17:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-19 10:27 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-27 13:40 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-27 17:35 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-27 18:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-27 18:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-28 8:58 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-28 13:15 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-31 13:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-31 21:17 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-11-01 3:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-01 14:45 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-11-01 15:23 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-11-01 17:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-01 18:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-01 18:46 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-18 14:53 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-18 17:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-19 10:45 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-19 10:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-19 11:24 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-19 11:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-19 12:02 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-19 12:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-19 13:11 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-19 13:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-19 19:15 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-27 13:46 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-10-17 15:30 ` Alan Mackenzie
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