From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#24786: 25.1; Misleading documentation/news for text-quoting-style Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 23:13:42 +0300 Message-ID: <83h98133pl.fsf@gnu.org> References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1477340800 6717 195.159.176.226 (24 Oct 2016 20:26:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 20:26:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 24786@debbugs.gnu.org To: Vasilij Schneidermann Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 24 22:26:36 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bylp2-0007DV-G2 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2016 22:26:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49835 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bylp4-0002a7-Lm for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2016 16:26:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43588) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1byleF-0001EI-RE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2016 16:15:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1byleA-0003Wh-R4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2016 16:15:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:39554) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1byleA-0003WK-Np for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2016 16:15:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1byleA-0008Nv-Jj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2016 16:15:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 20:15:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24786 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 24786-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24786.147734004432097 (code B ref 24786); Mon, 24 Oct 2016 20:15:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 24786) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Oct 2016 20:14:04 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54949 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1byldE-0008Ld-D1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2016 16:14:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52072) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1byldC-0008Kt-3k for 24786@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2016 16:14:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1byld1-0002q4-Jj for 24786@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2016 16:13:56 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:56139) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1byld1-0002px-GG; Mon, 24 Oct 2016 16:13:51 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3554 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1byld0-0003cY-EG; Mon, 24 Oct 2016 16:13:51 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Vasilij Schneidermann on Mon, 24 Oct 2016 21:33:12 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:124974 Archived-At: > From: Vasilij Schneidermann > Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 21:33:12 +0200 > > I've just fixed a complex Emacs Lisp program using `error' in batch mode > where messages of the "Exception: 'foo'" kind were turned into > "Exception: ‘foo’", leading to a crash in the test rig written in as it > did not expect non-ASCII output. I find this inacceptable behavior. > Why should printing one thing print something entirely different from > what has been specified? > > I've learned that there is a `text-quoting-style' variable that controls > this behavior, however both its docstring and the corresponding news > entry suggest that there is no way to disable the post-processing. On > top of that they don't mention that the simplest way to make things look > like they previously did is to set it to `grave`. Is there any reason > this is not documented? More importantly, if that is the truth, why is > there no flag to disable that post-processing? Did you look at the state of affairs on the emacs-25 branch? If not, please do: I think at least some of these problems were fixed there. If they are still not fixed, or you cannot figure out how to fix them, please tell the details: where did you read or saw behavior that disallows turning off the conversion of quotes. FWIW, I see this in the doc string: ‘grave’ means quote with grave accent and apostrophe `like this'. which seems to be what you want, no?