From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: nxml-mode: Derive from prog-mode instead of text-mode Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 18:26:41 +0300 Message-ID: <83h90r9zym.fsf@gnu.org> References: <1494412509.2069441.971865104.0646ACD6@webmail.messagingengine.com> <8337ccbrar.fsf@gnu.org> <1494439153.1311720.972341016.7C2EC66A@webmail.messagingengine.com> <83o9v0a66q.fsf@gnu.org> <1494487799.3240345.972964808.43DA610E@webmail.messagingengine.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1494517180 14565 195.159.176.226 (11 May 2017 15:39:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 15:39:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: jostein@kjonigsen.net Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 11 17:39:25 2017 Return-path: <emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org> Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org>) id 1d8qBY-0003OU-Jl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 11 May 2017 17:39:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48903 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org>) id 1d8qBe-0003Au-2S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 11 May 2017 11:39:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60500) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@gnu.org>) id 1d8pzV-0000rI-3l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2017 11:26:58 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@gnu.org>) id 1d8pzR-0004vA-1w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2017 11:26:57 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:54645) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@gnu.org>) id 1d8pzQ-0004v6-Uq; Thu, 11 May 2017 11:26:52 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1988 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@gnu.org>) id 1d8pzQ-0000bf-4E; Thu, 11 May 2017 11:26:52 -0400 In-reply-to: <1494487799.3240345.972964808.43DA610E@webmail.messagingengine.com> (message from Jostein =?utf-8?Q?Kj=C3=B8nigsen?= on Thu, 11 May 2017 09:29:59 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." <emacs-devel.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/options/emacs-devel>, <mailto:emacs-devel-request@gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/> List-Post: <mailto:emacs-devel@gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:emacs-devel-request@gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel>, <mailto:emacs-devel-request@gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" <emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org> Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:214792 Archived-At: <http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/214792> > From: Jostein Kjønigsen <jostein@secure.kjonigsen.net> > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 09:29:59 +0200 > > But prog-mode represents a API, a endpoint, for end-users and developers to wire up anything and any > customization they deem programming-related. > > With prog-mode API-wise being a "success", shouldn't Emacs core honour that API by using it where > appropriate? That would IMO be the consistent thing to do. > > That Emacs ships with only 3 such customizations out of the box seems to me irellevant. My point is, given how little prog-mode customizes, there's no particular reason why your customizations should start from prog-mode. They could start from any other major mode, since you need to invent most of them from scratch anyway; prog-mode doesn't help you make fewer customizations. > I could understand an argument that nowadays XML and even HTML deviate > a lot from text with markup, but I don't see how prog-mode would be > more appropriate. I tend to think that we should come up with a new > family of modes, which specifically caters to the likes of XML-based > coding. > > Something like structured-text-mode ? Which for instance nxml-mode, json-mode, yaml-mode (etc etc) could > derive from. Yes.