From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Why are bugs discussed on this list? [was: tramp and shell ...] Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2017 18:13:52 +0200 Message-ID: <83h8uat41r.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87lgjmgny3.fsf@gmx.de> <83lgjmt8d3.fsf@gnu.org> <20171104154629.GA4605@tuxteam.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1509812066 1705 195.159.176.226 (4 Nov 2017 16:14:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2017 16:14:26 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 04 17:14:21 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eB15P-0008RT-JC for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Nov 2017 17:14:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41583 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eB15W-0007Y3-Qb for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Nov 2017 12:14:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56416) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eB157-0007Xh-Qp for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Nov 2017 12:14:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eB154-0003qh-Lv for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Nov 2017 12:14:01 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:47239) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eB154-0003qZ-IJ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Nov 2017 12:13:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4298 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eB152-0001jd-OJ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Nov 2017 12:13:58 -0400 In-reply-to: <20171104154629.GA4605@tuxteam.de> (tomas@tuxteam.de) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:114743 Archived-At: > Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2017 16:46:29 +0100 > From: > > Eli, you are an exceedingly smart person (I say that without > a whiff of irony). But you haven't walked in a greenhorn's > shoes (definitely not wrt. Emacs) for quite a long time. > > For us mere mortals it is sometimes hard to distinguish > between PEBKAC[1] and a genuine bug. That's why we (cautiously) > turn first to this list, perhaps once too often > > Be gentle :) I only ask these questions veteran contributors to Emacs who are quite able to distinguish bugs from cockpit errors. Please be gentle with me as well.