From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: The name gnus-cloud.el Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 05:37:01 +0200 Message-ID: <83h8snpew2.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87374jd66s.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87bmj6dda0.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <87vahe911g.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87374id7jy.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <877ett8g7k.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87a7yn7tqp.fsf@lifelogs.com> <878te75xa1.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87ind6l2tt.fsf@lifelogs.com> <877etklvsa.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83y3m0pv8u.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1513654513 28614 195.159.176.226 (19 Dec 2017 03:35:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 03:35:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: tzz@lifelogs.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 19 04:35:08 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eR8gO-00070I-90 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Dec 2017 04:35:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42445 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eR8iK-00075R-Tc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 22:37:08 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40889) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eR8iE-000753-0A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 22:37:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eR8iB-00037f-E0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 22:37:02 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:50568) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eR8iB-00037X-Af; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 22:36:59 -0500 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1835 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eR8i4-0004zZ-7C; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 22:36:52 -0500 In-reply-to: (message from Richard Stallman on Mon, 18 Dec 2017 16:16:47 -0500) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:221239 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > CC: tzz@lifelogs.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 16:16:47 -0500 > > > I don't like renaming files because that makes some VCS commands fail > > or work less efficiently, and makes forensics much harder and less > > convenient. > > We can't have a policy that badly chosen file names are set in stone > and can never be changed. There's no such policy, of course. I'm just saying that renaming should be avoided. In this case, I cannot for the life of me understand what's all the fuss about. "Cloud" is just a word, and there's nothing wrong with it per se. We are not talking about cloud computing, nor about using some cloud storage, we are talking about using the word itself. I cannot believe we are going to use the GNU and FSF authority and reputation to proclaim the word "cloud" persona non-grata. > Haven't any files' names been changed since we started using Git? > How was that done? This has been done, of course, and I'm annoyed every time I need to check something about such files in Git. > gnus-cloud.el is fairly new, so it hasn't got a years-long history > entwined with other files. We will not delete its history, but if > that history gets a little less convenient to access, it won't be > a big deal. I say we should avoid that, and in this case I see absolutely no reason to sustain more annoyance or inconvenience.