From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#32047: 26.1; Misleading/confusing text about `C-k' in TUTORIAL Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 19:12:11 +0300 Message-ID: <83h8l5g3ac.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87o9fn2386.fsf@moondust.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1531325502 23390 195.159.176.226 (11 Jul 2018 16:11:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 16:11:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 32047@debbugs.gnu.org To: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 11 18:11:38 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fdHiL-0005uc-LS for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:11:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54611 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fdHkQ-0001mq-Vx for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:13:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37938) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fdHjm-0001TD-9Y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:13:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fdHjj-0005Af-3r for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:13:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:47944) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fdHjj-0005AT-04 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:13:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fdHji-0003Qa-OY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:13:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 16:13:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 32047 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 32047-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B32047.153132554313121 (code B ref 32047); Wed, 11 Jul 2018 16:13:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 32047) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jul 2018 16:12:23 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55841 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fdHj5-0003PZ-4D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:12:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46762) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fdHj3-0003PN-Sm for 32047@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:12:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fdHiv-00050O-Jx for 32047@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:12:16 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:53268) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fdHiv-00050I-Gp; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:12:13 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3973 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1fdHiu-0005cV-Vz; Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:12:13 -0400 In-reply-to: <87o9fn2386.fsf@moondust.localdomain> (nljlistbox2@gmail.com) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:148446 Archived-At: > From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) > Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2018 21:34:33 -0400 > > 414 >> Move the cursor to the beginning of a line which is not empty. > 415 Then type C-k to kill the text on that line. > 416 >> Type C-k a second time. You'll see that it kills the Newline > 417 which follows that line. > 418 > 419 Note that a single C-k kills the contents of the line, and a second > 420 C-k kills the line itself, and makes all the other lines move up. C-k > 421 treats a numeric argument specially: it kills that many lines AND > 422 their contents. This is not mere repetition. C-u 2 C-k kills two > 423 lines and their Newlines; typing C-k twice would not do that. > > The example(s) given in Lines 414 to 417 are correct. But the > sentence beginning on Line 419 is misleading. It is only true > when point is at the beginning of the line. But in this case, point _is_ at the beginning of the line, isn't it? So I wonder whether it is worth it to complicate the text just for accuracy's sake? What do others think? Thanks.