From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#41129: outline-mode: New keybindings for demote/promote/move-subtree Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 20:00:50 +0200 Message-ID: <83h7my8fu5.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87k0rx3792.fsf@gnus.org> <87pn1oxs7u.fsf@gnus.org> <87k0rv0wqc.fsf@gnus.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="12559"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 41129@debbugs.gnu.org To: Howard Melman Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 30 19:02:48 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l5ua8-00038q-0H for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2021 19:02:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36644 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l5ua7-0001Tl-2x for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2021 13:02:47 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46490) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l5uYQ-0000cZ-R3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2021 13:01:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:44220) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l5uYP-0005Gr-KK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2021 13:01:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l5uYP-0000PR-J9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2021 13:01:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 18:01:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 41129 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo Original-Received: via spool by 41129-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B41129.16120296451543 (code B ref 41129); Sat, 30 Jan 2021 18:01:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 41129) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jan 2021 18:00:45 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55766 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l5uY7-0000Oi-6x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2021 13:00:45 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56816) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l5uY4-0000OU-Dc for 41129@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2021 13:00:42 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:48956) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l5uXz-00052O-3k; Sat, 30 Jan 2021 13:00:35 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3650 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1l5uXt-0002mS-N7; Sat, 30 Jan 2021 13:00:33 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Howard Melman on Sat, 30 Jan 2021 12:39:52 -0500) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:198952 Archived-At: > From: Howard Melman > Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 12:39:52 -0500 > > the command right-word, which is only useful when editing > bidirectional This assertion is incorrect. The real goal of right-word is to provide a command that works as users expect in both left-to-right and right-to-left contexts. The alternative would be to request that the user should decide whether to use M-f or M-b to go in a particular direction, and that's a non-starter. > is so important it needs TWO very similar default key bindings > (M-right and C-right) This command has two bindings not because of its importance, but because other programs out there use those bindings. Emacs is following the expectations of the users here.