From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Contradictiory directions Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 13:08:13 +0200 Message-ID: <83h7b8hko2.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20211211035614.15517.53830@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <877dc6tjz0.fsf_-_@yahoo.com> <871r2e5g4u.fsf@telefonica.net> <4228873.32GBL0O4vs@galex-713.eu> <87fsqt4t97.fsf@telefonica.net> <87bl1h4lix.fsf@telefonica.net> <83bl1hhvjk.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15746"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 16 12:09:19 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mxodT-0003um-2u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 12:09:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33124 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mxodS-0005R6-2M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 06:09:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55784) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mxoci-00045q-PI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 06:08:34 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=58982 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mxoch-0006mr-VO; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 06:08:31 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=kpROb0cta/BdmKEFCp+vE/e0PXB/v26XeoQYibaHzSw=; b=ZviddOxVDwOc PF95hBO83fAmX5tT8d+ejMFQvru2OX1tbotJPzcCVF9EdCtlMHChBKLFTrDlmY5USgN8W+ypDZWzl CDn1V6WJUcTiEWI6xRQgqfaOTiD6Ns3wTLlKVk00k1gl7/ielLoXCw6PnAV65ROT+mmSH2OVuhlW1 12xD1KrVeFpX5Oco919pOAQgpNiF5zrA5hKniZ8hXwb/kfiLjqgMOVPZEolC6iZroHETDJc4k3178 1gd/gBc8H1KpOZk6wf8F5YSC3z2qGmSZDDgpvecG+Jxynn4EoBMIlRreaxa/UzbQp9b2aXXOUFOTr qYu+ziqQzmkfeotNSb92Ww==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2364 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mxoch-00025D-Qx; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 06:08:32 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Dmitry Gutov on Thu, 16 Dec 2021 14:01:32 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:282146 Archived-At: > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: Dmitry Gutov > Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 14:01:32 +0300 > > On 16.12.2021 10:13, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > From my POV, GCC is a better compiler, by a large measure, for > > languages that I use and on platforms that I care about. As a user of > > a compiler, I don't care about its architecture, I care about its > > features, its usefulness during development, and the code it produces. > > And Clang is way behind on these, from my POV. And don't get me > > started on other LLVM members, like the debugger. > > All popular code assistance tools use Clang (code completion, > navigation, etc). Even people who will deploy with GCC, if they want > completion, have to install Clang. > > And it's catching up performance-wise. > > If that doesn't worry you, it should. I was talking about the compiler, not the tools you mention.