From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Compatibility Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2022 15:36:08 +0200 Message-ID: <83h79ayf1z.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8735kuj3e9.fsf@yahoo.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29675"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: xenodasein@tutanota.de, tomas@tuxteam.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 07 15:08:52 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nH4hH-0007bX-5e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 07 Feb 2022 15:08:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39368 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nH4hG-00060m-1a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 07 Feb 2022 09:08:50 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44514) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nH4Bw-0001Dz-9M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Feb 2022 08:36:29 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=50918 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nH4Bt-0004kv-UI; Mon, 07 Feb 2022 08:36:26 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=dc9d4NcAfVTtEbicyWElMgFUeugtODdtPJIGP0YLQE0=; b=A4Vy3JD7/gF3 9jPcOvWn/fdg7vN5y/iYNVLEu+8D1YhWXba5m3QOwrirRvPgmNzQmZCk2VXMhaErksmwKey1HI8IT Nmpy22GF7mRw+1eXsRBzG4zhVpk2z9waBXkYkM8TOHcf0IlLDyjz3izY0ATRaG2Y8MkUCWgHmDitJ nlxU7GI3V9d5HdcyiQcNUXQ4c6PU0oOX8paXBwe+qq62OmGKQyKc8Yf6hceI5vhWIQ4xfOf7Aa4jx 1HAW7pzmJdmfXcSgbxAa8MhElDugnnOgQJzXswuXK/nUckqa7NPnN1L4wtJCEL/WYo2yn28ZAAGx2 k+N2l5nsoAtq7P0uX/t1Jg==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3674 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nH4Br-0003uf-Ir; Mon, 07 Feb 2022 08:36:25 -0500 In-Reply-To: <8735kuj3e9.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Mon, 07 Feb 2022 19:57:02 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:286044 Archived-At: > From: Po Lu > Cc: xenodasein@tutanota.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2022 19:57:02 +0800 > > > Bu they do. Hardware change. User expectations change, because new users > > enter the scene. Environments change. Not long ago (in geological terms) > > people in my bubble were cutting and pasting with selection/middle mouse > > button, nowadays, with CTRL-C/CTRL_V. "My" bubble has been "invaded" by > > Windows users, so to speak. OTOH, that is a Good Thing, because more > > people get exposed to the idea of free software, ain't it? > > Potential tangent, but I really don't believe that this consensus was > influenced by MS-Windows users. Rather, it was formed by people > generally agreeing that using the primary selection to hold cut text > made little to no sense. And where did those people come from, you think? I agree with Thomas: almost everything in the "modern" desktop environments were copy-cat'ed from Windows. There are days when I wonder whether those desktop guys have no creativity and no imagination. > For instance, the "Cut" menu item in most applications would do > nothing at all, if it only stored cut text in the primary selection. Because there was no "Cut" back there, AFAIR, there were only selections. Windows didn't have selections (still doesn't), so they impregnated us with the clipboard. (Full disclosure: I do NOT customize select-enable-primary to non-default values.)