From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How often do we have new packages in Whichever ELPA? Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2022 14:18:24 +0200 Message-ID: <83h78z2een.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87tud126gk.fsf@posteo.net> <83bkz845v9.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6090"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: philipk@posteo.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 16 13:20:46 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nKJIa-0001MY-Pj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2022 13:20:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50026 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nKJIZ-0002gQ-7h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2022 07:20:43 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:58292) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nKJGH-0001Hv-ED for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Feb 2022 07:18:21 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=50720 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nKJGG-0005nC-Ob; Wed, 16 Feb 2022 07:18:20 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=+b7D/+qRCN1yU9lmVqAdcAheqdmlobBl2GNSp8GOf7Y=; b=JG8mfcEzA1nm CBemyyz6eGhen/0FNvn3ETCdiK6n+27Bjmt/b5A3bUKGgMs2b3NhIb5PZbOaX52oClHJXww5B0Yfb XDWPdwnRzTZ4X70hkpQ1fpUvdL9GoOKNvilhYzK1btDKHME/xn2q9HHtNkJ7OQSXYMIWPZuRuDPLs rtuBaP4YI1b1ERb8/s5tyAKeYumVcg4S86oIWvdn0enOvb8I6AGLyB7ilNjG1OnXdiJKQXKkiKeVl 28vGB2wvJ0tyfxwWgU94ynFZZQLQ+DsaMWM9mMULOYFTLMql+Okd3V4oUg49kpogDLdEDluxxef8W gwD2VifB0U6rc/j+Kb+VWA==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3052 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nKJGF-0006KO-Gq; Wed, 16 Feb 2022 07:18:19 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Tue, 15 Feb 2022 23:14:25 -0500) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:286376 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: philipk@posteo.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 23:14:25 -0500 > > > > Given that info, I think that posting these on info-gnu-emacs would be > > > a bad idea. That list has a very low volume of mail. This could make > > > it 10 or 20 times as much. There are probably people on it who don't > > > want to get a higher volume from it. > > > We could use a telltale Subject, or some X-* header that people could > > use to filter out those. > > I don't follow. Could you describe that proposal more concretely? > What would be in the messages we post, and who would filter? If the Subject starts with "[ELPA News]", people who aren't interested can configure their MUA to ignore those messages. > > So I'm unsure why this issue needs any action at this time, since we > > seem to be doing TRT already. Or what am I missing? > > Right now, every new version in GNU ELPA or NonGNU ELPA is announced > on a list, gnu-emacs-sources, that not many people read. > > I think that we should announce NEW packages in GNU ELPA in a bigger > list where more people will see them. Maybe also NEW packages in > NonGNU ELPA. The only bigger lists are this one and help-gnu-emacs. Any other list would be a new list that will suffer from the same problem as gnu-emacs-sources. I thought emacs-devel and help-gnu-emacs were deemed not to be the best candidates, but if I misunderstood, I have nothing against using them. However, I think you should keep in mind that most Emacs users nowadays rarely if ever read mailing lists, let alone subscribe to them. So I'm not at all sure the rejection of gnu-emacs-sources is justified, especially since that is practice we use for a long time, and people who want to know about ELPA news learned about that list long ago. Let's not make the perfect be the enemy of the good!