From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#62320: 30.0.50; Thoughts about (info "(emacs) Bugs") Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2023 13:02:25 +0300 Message-ID: <83h6tzzzri.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87sfdyoext.fsf@web.de> <83bkkm6v8n.fsf@gnu.org> <87bkklcypz.fsf@web.de> <83wn374mmn.fsf@gnu.org> <87zg7vwpp4.fsf@web.de> <838rff7dwm.fsf@gnu.org> <87v8ii8bo7.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7976"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 62320@debbugs.gnu.org To: Michael Heerdegen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 01 12:03:15 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1piY4p-0001q6-AQ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 01 Apr 2023 12:03:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1piY4e-0003eb-Hr; Sat, 01 Apr 2023 06:03:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1piY4c-0003eC-Ub for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Apr 2023 06:03:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1piY4c-0004dH-MB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Apr 2023 06:03:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1piY4c-0001P5-CR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Apr 2023 06:03:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2023 10:03:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 62320 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 62320-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B62320.16803433375334 (code B ref 62320); Sat, 01 Apr 2023 10:03:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 62320) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Apr 2023 10:02:17 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35563 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1piY3s-0001Ny-Tu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Apr 2023 06:02:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37208) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1piY3r-0001Ni-Eh for 62320@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Apr 2023 06:02:16 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1piY3l-0004Xb-G9; Sat, 01 Apr 2023 06:02:10 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=gotSuhQUKojCrQGF+zqLojkFvSJcu4WTaxa5t4uU0co=; b=CiI4OIFcFm1zOXvh77zk FZt5c2bM6XUedRNBzfT5vsR6H8jJ2WErmNxEZSiD1C3sDr8xYfF+VSs+cihosBTXtbHoDulxkDJCr t8HiHcB4pxG/S3hwRyzccw2WaSGKPgF6Pz8nFxpIdxgWbXMU1G3N9s45zXXymADrEI6/uguh4LsxY I9u2k+cpOend4dib4ND+38UbcNKrK7/Ngqsr/EMmt1fULai0jhTJXpyNuhPE7wnIDdAtry7kFTcQG Cx6gGCWRa7DkMb1RqAZki4kj8Ev0XNtsYgNhm8R/yHj3yjwe+T+gNSskPImSzXHv3OIvHC1puDTyv WPanVDQl+7Oi6w==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1piY3l-0001cG-0K; Sat, 01 Apr 2023 06:02:09 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87v8ii8bo7.fsf@web.de> (message from Michael Heerdegen on Thu, 30 Mar 2023 18:08:08 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:259042 Archived-At: > From: Michael Heerdegen > Cc: 62320@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2023 18:08:08 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > > You also have worked in all my suggestions - apart from the "if you > > > know how please load relevant Elisp source files before capturing an > > > Elisp backtrace" one - intentionally? > > > > Maybe not. Can you tell to which part of the text this was related? > > That would be in (info "(emacs) Checklist") - the first item after "If > you are willing to debug Emacs and provide additional information about > the bug, here is some useful advice". I remember debating whether it was important enough to have in this already very long node. But since now that part is near the end, as a kind of "Advanced" section, I added that back. > And apart from mentioning loading related Elisp source files, I want to > say that mentioning Edebug in this first paragraph: > > This causes the error to start the Lisp debugger, which shows you a > backtrace. Copy the text of the debugger’s backtrace into the bug > report. *Note Edebug: (elisp)Edebug, for information on debugging > Emacs Lisp programs with the Edebug package. > > is a bit unfortunate - we should either say that this is a different > debugger, not to be confused with the one that pops up when enabling > `debug-on-error', or just mention Edebug at a different place (in a > footnote maybe?). I tried to make it more clear that this is a different debugger.