From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: contributing to Emacs Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2023 05:24:29 +0300 Message-ID: <83h6r48a02.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83v8fnslfz.fsf@gnu.org> <6537fa5fa5c1fe8437ed99ee0988e35895f5a54b.camel@yandex.ru> <8423a35750d8d8e0437c7708f6b4d0bbdfdb7fe0.camel@yandex.ru> <6981052a75913ea435ae2adaccdaa1c66252a6df.camel@yandex.ru> <6a22f3608f37e238ffbd20d6dead86d3aa76d01e.camel@yandex.ru> <96766e99bf2618cc4290498933c6e32bc2a0f98a.camel@yandex.ru> <83o7ldpcs8.fsf@gnu.org> <3c64fe534fee45ff75c9e2c3cece8e2ee146091e.camel@yandex.ru> <87bkhdnl94.fsf@posteo.net> <183ae6c17b4d07701e76003dc72c25d8d2705611.camel@yandex.ru> <87pm5t7yu4.fsf@yahoo.com> <339b006829e123a3f6eeaffbd66f557ea837fdcd.camel@yandex.ru> <87y1kgdax7.fsf@web.de> <83o7lc91kh.fsf@gnu.org> <87leggd2cu.fsf@web.de> <83ilbk8u1k.fsf@gnu.org> <448f75fb368e4ae61dd8bd7899047602a806228a.camel@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34704"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: arne_bab@web.de, ams@gnu.org, luangruo@yahoo.com, philipk@posteo.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Konstantin Kharlamov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 19 04:25:04 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qB4Zj-0008rj-Kt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 19 Jun 2023 04:25:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qB4ZB-0006T1-HM; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 22:24:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qB4ZA-0006St-Hl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 22:24:28 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qB4Z8-0002qE-SN; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 22:24:26 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=aP6s9KlWKdd0C2EgzNDX68x4CiEZw9bUW/RlbiNtiQY=; b=PTsg+uvupN0dVMf9TaQc B+HgKyrhcEavVffBkqrw/V5lHhFIbxeBMEe89Yh5JVn0MILyA0TmpeyGQVJvaJCstj+QFaoiPgAPh gN4NE7vZEWhnEmQZZI1nu/H4CofA1G2ZXLqohEta4NXLA1rRxImUtZ8dG/hyidULOsY5Q8FDuFigU JeoiVW44ZP3DV9cDVyOHgPewGodK30JP8Bt8sYDGv6bvsI3XF3vv3R9rZvnWCGppz6Ro6el9njdJa NKEoDz9inXyZavMXneCsL253DbG7oxHox2gUuplb5/oQA7W50VSN9LIkKhrhoqWAhR29Xmi5CvbSn nLURt7dNUkGBEQ==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qB4Z8-0001ou-AG; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 22:24:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: <448f75fb368e4ae61dd8bd7899047602a806228a.camel@yandex.ru> (message from Konstantin Kharlamov on Sun, 18 Jun 2023 23:10:57 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:307025 Archived-At: > From: Konstantin Kharlamov > Cc: ams@gnu.org, luangruo@yahoo.com, philipk@posteo.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2023 23:10:57 +0300 > > On Sun, 2023-06-18 at 22:11 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > From: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" > > > Cc: ams@gnu.org, hi-angel@yandex.ru, luangruo@yahoo.com, philipk@posteo.net, > > >  emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2023 20:52:43 +0200 > > > > > > > > In the discussion it became clear (at least to me) that the way to > > > > > contribute is not the main complication, but the discoverability of that > > > > > way and that the way seems hard when you see more than a sheet of paper > > > > > in print as instructions. > > > > > > > > You are inventing a problem where there is none. > > > > > > You said that the w32 port didn’t get many additional devs. I’m trying > > > to find reasons — and on the website I see obvious reasons that keep > > > people from contributing. And the more I look into it, the more I see > > > how broken the new-dev-wants-to-contribute usecase of the website is. > > > > I understand and appreciate what you are trying to do, but those > > aren't the reasons for lack of active contributors to Emacs. > > I think it cumulative of many factors, and fixing every small factor that comes > into play increases probability of getting a new contributor. The suggested measures will not fix any such factors.