From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New Package for NonGNU-ELPA: clojure-ts-mode Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 15:34:48 +0300 Message-ID: <83h6ojibvb.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87il9kksqz.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87wmxj27fn.fsf@dfreeman.email> <831qfrptiq.fsf@gnu.org> <57429221-d9be-5791-e975-b3539905e2f6@gutov.dev> <83a5udlj47.fsf@gnu.org> <87a5udk1co.fsf@posteo.net> <835y51kslv.fsf@gnu.org> <7a82c524-1aa1-e755-e377-673ebb107a44@gutov.dev> <83r0nok8s4.fsf@gnu.org> <87il90znco.fsf@yahoo.com> <1977fbef-307b-bcf4-9448-64f26916dd65@gutov.dev> <87edjozlqq.fsf@yahoo.com> <43ddad10-49dd-1c49-ebfe-51689780b315@gutov.dev> <87msyciplu.fsf@posteo.net> <83h6okk3oe.fsf@gnu.org> <87edjoindn.fsf@posteo.net> <83bkesjwuk.fsf@gnu.org> <87y1hwxb13.fsf@yahoo.com> <87bkerydke.fsf@yahoo.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25623"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, philipk@posteo.net, dmitry@gutov.dev, danny@dfreeman.email, stefankangas@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, manuel.uberti@inventati.org To: "Bozhidar Batsov" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 28 14:36:21 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qabTh-0006MR-6L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 28 Aug 2023 14:36:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qabSy-0007b8-S0; Mon, 28 Aug 2023 08:35:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qabSk-0007Wx-H5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Aug 2023 08:35:23 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qabSh-000132-Oc; Mon, 28 Aug 2023 08:35:19 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=8lK95gxwwRmKpq69QAFmb35SGTaJgPUXxrbRyM9uV9s=; b=CceupPQpgnh6 4m2/+8fiAq5YEz8/qlbqEGiaO7W4VnW0A3LIshp0oShrWUMP7FyG/2d+uETzgSiTEfP9U5OIvSoSA 6TMGJWJQiX57TuK8WGZBxEVq236v1K4IaQs+9L9Xxn9KMb8dF1P+2Bnl6jnEzjuGkWDcwB0kJIhYa t7Cr1/1dfiHSFFLU2xESRJ1txSfhFZk6lxRbohP8OI2xgVibwtoOoO0p+RyoHCpGOedBwOfm8gF4L jNwpQHd6daRfuEJE0eAncRZVzxukUraQKUEAPLD9P3qkf7nZXvJF6KNAxfeCOicHfUUUpi6yRBRHf 7raylKfAmdokUWDaGd3nAw==; In-Reply-To: (bozhidar@batsov.dev) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309432 Archived-At: > Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 10:03:08 +0300 > From: "Bozhidar Batsov" > Cc: "Eli Zaretskii" , "Philip Kaludercic" , > "Dmitry Gutov" , "Danny Freeman" , > "Stefan Kangas" , > "Emacs Devel" , > "Manuel Uberti" > > If the Emacs team has so much misgivings about NonGNU ELPA perhaps they shouldn't have > launched it to begin with. We don't have any misgivings about NonGNU ELPA. None whatsoever. We just think that having packages that provide features that Emacs should have built in on NonGNU ELPA is sub-optimal. So we try in those cases to arrange for those packages to be part of the core. Recent examples include Eglot and use-package. > For me it's really weird that we have the option to use something (which > supposedly exists to reduce friction) but someone constantly discourages us from doing so (which > increases friction). Not a pleasant experience IMO. We tried to convince you and your colleagues to have these modes included in Emacs. You didn't agree. We get that, although the disagreement sounded strange to us. That's all. No need to represent this as an unpleasant experience.