From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Git mirrors Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 16:47:28 +0200 Message-ID: <83fwiy467z.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8762k095n4.fsf@lifelogs.com> <871uuksdxi.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87lissh32y.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87zkh8e286.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87d3e4gttq.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87ehyjrhxh.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87d3e2rfte.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <878voqfiaw.fsf@wanadoo.es> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1318431058 7081 80.91.229.12 (12 Oct 2011 14:50:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:50:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 12 16:50:54 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RE08v-0001U6-7Z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 16:50:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55887 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RE08u-0007NL-OQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:50:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:36188) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RE08s-0007NC-9b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:50:47 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RE08o-0003jz-IA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:50:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:63851) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RE08o-0003jo-BV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:50:42 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LSY00B00JKFHC00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 16:47:28 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.127.51.78]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LSY00BYSJR23070@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 16:47:28 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <878voqfiaw.fsf@wanadoo.es> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-Received-From: 80.179.55.166 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:145016 Archived-At: > From: =C3=93scar Fuentes > Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:31:03 +0200 > Cc: "Stephen J. Turnbull" , emacs-devel@= gnu.org >=20 > The past is "choosing bzr over other Free alternatives was politica= ly > motivated regardless of technical merit; the interests of GNU preva= iled, > users were dismissed." >=20 > The present is "providing a convenient git mirror is considered not= good > for GNU; once again, GNU is considered more important than users." >=20 > I always thought that Free Software is about the user, always the > user. But once you begin privileging some packages simply because t= hey > abide to GNU, and viewing others as "not beneficial" because they d= on't, > irrespectively of its merit, then GNU starts looking as a menacing > entity, something dangerous that pretends to roll over your beloved > creations just because that's good for GNU's self-interest. I disagree with this interpretation, but I'm sure Richard will explai= n things better than I ever could. > If some Emacs hackers feel more at home with > git/mercurial/whatever-other-Free-tool, why not simply provide it? Because it takes the effort from other useful development tasks. And because providing every possible tool, just because someone feels mor= e at home with it, when reasonable alternatives exist, is not the norm in Free Software projects. What is not required from projects that use git should not be required from projects that use bzr.