From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12911: 24.3.50; let users decide where (& perhaps whether) `emacs_backtrace.txt' files are written Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:13:03 +0200 Message-ID: <83fw45xxzk.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83wqxk3d1z.fsf@gnu.org> <83y5hyxnb1.fsf@gnu.org> <83wqxhy4ha.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1353348888 32726 80.91.229.3 (19 Nov 2012 18:14:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:14:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 12911@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 19 19:14:58 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TaVs0-0001Qz-4n for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:14:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34362 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TaVrm-0000zj-C1 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:14:42 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49872) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TaVrS-0000y2-NN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:14:39 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TaVr5-0005W4-GK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:14:17 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:45165) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TaVr5-0005VT-Cv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:13:59 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TaVs5-0003jg-LJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:15:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:15:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12911 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 12911-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12911.135334889814340 (code B ref 12911); Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:15:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 12911) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Nov 2012 18:14:58 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55416 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TaVs2-0003jE-9A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:14:58 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:45385) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TaVs0-0003j5-8t for 12911@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:14:57 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MDQ00E00YHBMG00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 12911@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:13:26 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MDQ00EPQYMDCZ70@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:13:26 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:67169 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, 12911@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:04:20 -0500 > > >> >> No need to change anything on platforms where stderr works. > >> > stderr works on Windows as well. See the code I wrote. > >> If stderr works, then why do we need emacs_backtrace.txt? > > For when the stuff written to stderr ends up in the Great Void, or > > scrolls off the screen, or whatever. > > Right. That's what I meant by "stderr doesn't work" (IOW while it does > work in some cases, it can't be relied upon). But then your first sentence above applies not only to Windows, because stderr "doesn't work" in this sense on Unix as well. > So let me reword my suggestion: > > I suggested to change the code such that, in those cases where we need > to use emacs_backtrace.txt, we use ~/.emacs.d/backtrace.txt instead. I already agreed to this, provided that Emacs puts stderr output there on all platforms.