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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: michael_heerdegen@web.de
Cc: 18051@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#18051: 24.3.92; ls-lisp: Sorting; make ls-lisp-string-lessp a normal function?
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 13:56:02 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83fvhx62il.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83lhrp69v8.fsf@gnu.org>

> Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 11:17:15 +0300
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> Cc: 18051@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> > > But if 'ls' supports that, so should ls-lisp.
> > 
> > It depends on "locale" settings.  I tried some settings of the LC_ALL
> > variable.  With "C" or "POSIX", I get the same sorting as with ls-lisp.
> > OTOH, with "en_US.utf8" or "de_DE.utf8" I get the sorting I described,
> > with dot files merged with the other files.
> 
> AFAICT, 'ls' uses strcoll.  I don't see how can that effectively
> ignore the leading dot, but maybe I'm missing something.

I think I know the answer: those versions of 'ls' that do this are
based on libc implementation that supports UTS#10, the Unicode
Collation Algorithm, or at least part of it.  UTS#10 specifies a
multi-level comparison, whereby base characters, accents, and
letter-case variants are compared before punctuation characters.

> OTOH, if the UTF-8 codeset says the leading dot should be ignored,
> then ls-lisp should do the same by default, at least when the
> locale's codeset is UTF-8.

For this, we would need a UTS#10 compatible compare-strings.  Then
ls-lisp could simply use it when the locale is .UTF-8.

Alternatively, we could have an approximation to that, just for
sorting non-punctuation characters before the punctuation characters.





  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-07-19 10:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2014-07-18  6:22 ` bug#18051: 24.3.92; ls-lisp: Sorting; make ls-lisp-string-lessp a normal function? Michael Heerdegen
2014-07-18  6:53   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-07-18  7:33     ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-07-18  8:53       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-07-18  9:37         ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-07-18  9:46           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-07-18 10:18             ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-07-18 13:03               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-07-19  1:25                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-07-19  8:17                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-07-19 10:52                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-07-19 10:56                     ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2014-07-18  9:24       ` Michael Albinus
2014-07-18  9:33         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-07-18 10:12           ` Michael Albinus
2014-07-18 12:57             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-07-18 13:18               ` Michael Albinus
2014-07-18 13:44                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-07-18 16:21                   ` Michael Albinus
2014-07-20  5:49               ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-07-20  6:07                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-07-20  6:21                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-07-20  6:33                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-07-20  7:30                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-07-20  8:14                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-07-20  8:24                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-07-20  8:38                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-07-20  9:15                               ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-07-20  9:18                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-07-20 11:44                               ` Michael Albinus
2014-07-20 11:59                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-07-20 15:26                                   ` Michael Albinus
2014-07-20 16:16                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-08-16 21:52                                     ` Michael Albinus
2014-08-17 16:38                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-08-17 17:55                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-08-17 18:46                                           ` Michael Albinus
2014-08-17 18:52                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-08-21  9:05                                               ` Michael Albinus
2014-08-21 14:41                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-08-22 14:23                                                   ` Michael Albinus
2014-08-23  9:05                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-08-23 16:42                                                       ` Michael Albinus
2014-08-23 17:33                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-08-23 20:32                                                           ` Michael Albinus
2014-08-24 14:54                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-08-24 16:18                                                               ` Michael Albinus
2014-08-25 15:01                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-08-27  8:49                                                                 ` Michael Albinus
2014-08-27 15:37                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-08-27 18:02                                                                     ` Michael Albinus
2014-08-27 15:48                                                                   ` Glenn Morris
2014-08-27 16:53                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-08-28  3:23                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-08-27 18:08                                                                     ` Michael Albinus
2014-08-27 18:30                                                                       ` Glenn Morris
2014-08-25 16:45                                                             ` Glenn Morris
2014-08-25 17:36                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-07-20  6:18                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-07-20 14:22                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-08-27 23:57   ` bug#18051: trunk r117751: Improve robustness of new string-collation code Katsumi Yamaoka
2014-08-28  0:51     ` Paul Eggert
2014-08-28  3:09   ` Katsumi Yamaoka

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