From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20702: 25.0.50; (elisp) `ImageMagick Images': say how to tell if Emacs has IM support, etc. Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 21:51:32 +0300 Message-ID: <83fv6ctwaz.fsf@gnu.org> References: <4763e124-1d2c-465e-9034-6faa609b8133@default> <83iob8u32e.fsf@gnu.org> <83h9qstx1j.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1433098891 11661 80.91.229.3 (31 May 2015 19:01:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 19:01:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 20702@debbugs.gnu.org To: rgm@gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 31 21:01:19 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Yz8U3-0006L4-5i for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 31 May 2015 21:01:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43119 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yz8U2-0000Pq-Mx for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 31 May 2015 15:01:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36360) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yz8LA-0001E5-7F for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 31 May 2015 14:52:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yz8L5-0002ix-0f for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 31 May 2015 14:52:08 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:53362) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yz8L4-0002it-S3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 31 May 2015 14:52:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Yz8L4-00052d-Br for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 31 May 2015 14:52:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 18:52:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20702 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 20702-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20702.143309831619367 (code B ref 20702); Sun, 31 May 2015 18:52:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20702) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 May 2015 18:51:56 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35104 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Yz8Kx-00052G-24 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 31 May 2015 14:51:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout26.012.net.il ([80.179.55.182]:33963) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Yz8Ku-000521-8M for 20702@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 31 May 2015 14:51:53 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout26.012.net.il by mtaout26.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NP8000009G8GH00@mtaout26.012.net.il> for 20702@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 31 May 2015 21:53:43 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout26.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NP800NIE9TIVU30@mtaout26.012.net.il>; Sun, 31 May 2015 21:53:43 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <83h9qstx1j.fsf@gnu.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:103407 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 21:35:36 +0300 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: 20702@debbugs.gnu.org > > > From: Glenn Morris > > Cc: 20702@debbugs.gnu.org > > Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 14:06:50 -0400 > > > > I don't think that checking for elements in there is the right way to > > see if Emacs supports a given feature. That's why it is intentionally > > not mentioned in the manuals. > > I cannot see any sense in this decision. The value of the variable is > very clear to a human reader, so I don't understand why we should hold > it secret. Maybe you meant the value should not be examined by Lisp programs. In which case I might agree: I was talking about humans examining the value, not programs.