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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de>
Cc: 21432@debbugs.gnu.org, tsdh@gnu.org
Subject: bug#21432: 25.0.50; file-notify-rm-watch (inotify) errors if watched dir is deleted
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2015 18:11:37 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83fv2jbrkm.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87r3m4hrfq.fsf@gmx.de>

> From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de>
> Cc: Tassilo Horn <tsdh@gnu.org>,  21432@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2015 12:18:01 +0200
> 
> Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de> writes:
> 
> > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> >
> >>> I don't have a strong opinion about what the right behavior would be but
> >>> at least it seems inconsistent that you get the error only with deleted
> >>> directories.
> >>
> >> There is no "right" behavior.  What you see is what the back-end
> >> reports to us.  If we want Emacs to be smarter, it's the job of the
> >> application, not of filenotify.el.
> >
> > Well, filenotify.el shall abstract from the different back-ends. Being
> > quiet when the native rm-watch fails seems to be appropriate.
> 
> I've checked, all three Emacs libraries inotify, gfilenotify and
> w32notify return an error when *-rm-watch detects a problem.
> `file-notify-rm-watch' could propagate this error. The manual
> shall be extended then.

But the issue comes up before you remove the watch.  You have a watch
that is in fact inoperable, but the application might not know about
that, or get hit by a signal out of nowhere.

So I think having a validation function is a good idea.

> At least inotify removes a watch internally, when it detects that the
> file/directoy to be watched does not exist any longer.

That's a bug, IMO: it shouldn't.

> gfilenotify and w32notify do not seem to to care.

In w32notify, I did that on purpose: it's not the business of the tail
to wag the dog.  Low-level functions has no business calling
higher-level APIs on their own.

> Shall we unify this behaviour? I'm not in favor of the inotify
> behaviour, the libraries shall raise a final signal instead that the
> watch is stopped. filenotify shall propagate this then, for example as
> `stopped' event or something like this.

I don't think you can easily raise a signal.  I think we should
provide a validate function for the applications to use.

> Last point, I've observed that inotify and gfilenotify raise a
> `file-notify-error' when needed. w32notify raises a `file-error'.
> Shouldn't it raise also `file-notify-error'?.

Yes, it should.  ('file-notify-error' didn't exist when I developed
w32notify.c.)





  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-12 15:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-08  6:36 bug#21432: 25.0.50; file-notify-rm-watch (inotify) errors if watched dir is deleted Tassilo Horn
2015-09-08  7:47 ` Michael Albinus
2015-09-08  8:11   ` Tassilo Horn
2015-09-08 15:51   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-08 15:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-08 16:01   ` Michael Albinus
2015-09-12 10:18     ` Michael Albinus
2015-09-12 15:11       ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2015-09-12 18:09         ` Michael Albinus
2015-09-13 19:23           ` Michael Albinus
2015-09-14  6:08             ` Tassilo Horn
2015-09-14  7:08               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-14  7:40                 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-09-14  7:56                   ` Tassilo Horn
2015-09-14 13:22                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-14 20:23                       ` Michael Albinus
2015-09-15  7:38                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-15  8:00                           ` Michael Albinus
2015-09-15  8:22                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-15 11:54                               ` Michael Albinus
2015-09-15 12:51                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-15 12:56                                   ` Michael Albinus
2015-09-16 14:45                                   ` Michael Albinus
2015-09-16 17:08                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-16 17:26                                       ` Michael Albinus
2015-09-16 17:55                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-16 18:28                                           ` Michael Albinus
2015-09-15  5:53                       ` Tassilo Horn
2015-09-14  7:35         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-14  7:37           ` Michael Albinus
2015-09-15 13:02           ` Michael Albinus
2015-09-15 13:56             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-16 13:54               ` Michael Albinus
2015-09-20 17:23 ` Michael Albinus
2015-09-20 19:19   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-21 13:40     ` Michael Albinus

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