From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21472: 25.0.50; REGRESSION: (emacs) `Coding Systems' uses curly quotes for Lisp strings Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 20:18:19 +0300 Message-ID: <83fv2e706c.fsf@gnu.org> References: <55F83FDF.2070202@cs.ucla.edu> <3aa1fafa-ed4d-4935-8a3e-cae7d0842c5f@default> <83r3ly7rpd.fsf@gnu.org> <55F91EF9.2000302@cs.ucla.edu> <83mvwm7k3s.fsf@gnu.org> <55F98B34.4080703@cs.ucla.edu> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1442424035 28992 80.91.229.3 (16 Sep 2015 17:20:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:20:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 21472@debbugs.gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 16 19:20:21 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcGNX-0006lx-Am for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 19:20:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52165 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcGNW-0001E0-ML for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 13:20:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39076) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcGNP-00019i-5U for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 13:20:15 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcGNK-0008NJ-JT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 13:20:11 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:42826) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcGNK-0008K3-C7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 13:20:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcGNJ-0003Oo-6P for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 13:20:05 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:20:05 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21472 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 21472-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21472.144242395212969 (code B ref 21472); Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:20:05 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21472) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Sep 2015 17:19:12 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35036 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcGMR-0003N6-Jy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 13:19:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout24.012.net.il ([80.179.55.180]:58013) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcGMP-0003Mt-0P for 21472@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 13:19:10 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout24.012.net.il by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NUS000004XJLT00@mtaout24.012.net.il> for 21472@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 20:10:52 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NUS00L68523B050@mtaout24.012.net.il>; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 20:10:52 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <55F98B34.4080703@cs.ucla.edu> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:106651 Archived-At: > Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, 21472@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Paul Eggert > Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 08:31:00 -0700 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > For example, any use of "magic" where no real magic (as in Gandalf > > coming in and performing it) should be quoted, because the literal > > meaning is too far-fetched. Likewise in other similar situations, > > I'll give you “magic” as that is a gray area, where it's no big deal either way, > but there are many other quotes that are clearly unnecessary, e.g.: > > Some mice have a ``wheel'' It's not a wheel, it's a button whose shape is round and which can be rotated as well as pressed. Wheels are what cars and bicycles have. > The @dfn{clipboard} is the facility that most graphical applications use for > ``cutting and pasting''. We've always used "cut and paste" in quotes in Emacs, as it's not our terminology. > If you exit Emacs while it is the current ``owner'' of the clipboard data, Emacs doesn't own anything here: clipboard data is not some real estate or money. > the @var{predicate} should return non-@code{nil} if the first element is > ``less'' than the second, or @code{nil} if not. "Less" here is in the eyes of the beholder; arbitrary objects do not have intrinsic order or comparison operators. It's our invention. > Quotes like these are a disservice to the reader: the reader must slow down and > process them and think “why is this phrase being quoted?” and the answer to that > question is not worth the cost of the mental processing. On the contrary, these quotes are most natural, and no such questions will ever pop up in anyone's mind. > There is no need to quote the word “push” merely because it is used > as a noun! Of course, there is: you don't really "push" anything. "Push" here is jargon for copying DAG portions from one location to another. A chapter whose subject is VCS should know better.