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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Artur Malabarba <bruce.connor.am@gmail.com>
Cc: joostkremers@fastmail.fm, johnw@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Option to not automatically customize-save-variable `package-selected-packages'
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 20:50:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83fuwor0u5.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87r3g8366a.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Artur Malabarba on Fri,  19 Feb 2016 16:29:17 -0200)

> From: Artur Malabarba <bruce.connor.am@gmail.com>
> Cc: joostkremers@fastmail.fm,  johnw@gnu.org,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 16:29:17 -0200
> 
> Another complaint I see is “I don't want my custom (or init) file being
> programatically altered, for reason X”. These complaints don't want to
> manually keep track of their packages with a `setq'. They want
> package.el to keep working its magic automatically, but keep its hands
> off their custom files.

I tried to figure out why people feel like that about this particular
customization, but couldn't.  I asked the question about that several
times, but either didn't get an answer, or didn't understand it.  I'd
still like to understand what's so special about this particular
customization.

> This sentence is explaining why _regular custom variables_ don't have
> the problem that `package-selected-packages' has.
> 
> - _Regular custom variables_ don't get saved to the custom file without
>   explicit user request, so it's easy to turn them into `setq's (which
>   is what you were discussing).
> 
> - OTOH, `package-selected-packages' _does_ get saved without explicit
>   request, so it's hard for the user to turn it into a `setq'.

Ah, okay, thanks.  So preventing package.el from doing that should
solve at least part of the problem.  Would someone please work on
that?



  reply	other threads:[~2016-02-19 18:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-17  9:27 Option to not automatically customize-save-variable `package-selected-packages' Angelo Graziosi
2016-02-17 23:05 ` John Wiegley
2016-02-18  1:04   ` Angelo Graziosi
2016-02-18  1:43   ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-18 16:49     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-18 17:28       ` Colin Baxter
2016-02-18 17:35         ` Kaushal Modi
2016-02-18 18:06       ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-18 18:15         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-18 20:34           ` Joost Kremers
2016-02-18 21:00             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-18 21:49               ` Joost Kremers
2016-02-19  9:31                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-19  9:47                   ` Angelo Graziosi
2016-02-19 13:04                   ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-19 15:50                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-19 18:29                       ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-19 18:50                         ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2016-02-19 19:05                           ` Kaushal Modi
2016-02-19 20:34                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-21 23:56                               ` Joost Kremers
2016-02-22  0:10                                 ` John Wiegley
2016-02-22  3:37                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-22 21:00                                   ` Bastian Beischer
2016-02-19  4:18           ` alex
2016-02-19  9:48             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-19 21:15               ` alex
2016-02-20  7:53                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-18 18:25       ` Mechanisms to persist information (Re: Option to not automatically customize-save-variable `package-selected-packages') Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-02-18 18:54         ` Mechanisms to persist information Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-18 19:22           ` Jonathan Leech-Pepin
2016-02-20  2:17         ` Mechanisms to persist information (Re: Option to not automatically customize-save-variable `package-selected-packages') John Wiegley
2016-02-20  4:44           ` Eric Abrahamsen
2016-02-18 18:45       ` Option to not automatically customize-save-variable `package-selected-packages' John Wiegley
2016-02-19  4:17       ` alex
     [not found]       ` <vYxebPyde_BnqKsA6mXLVX-_dj3rDIchNBYl3O1LxNhGCR7etgi0R4ZR7de5PU1TZXk9R4YsCjNxqkoh5lBR3Q==@protonmail.com>
2016-02-19  9:47         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-19 22:55           ` alex
2016-02-20  8:27             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-05  0:40               ` alex
2016-02-18 16:19   ` raman
2016-02-18 18:55     ` Angelo Graziosi
2016-02-18 19:00       ` Eli Zaretskii
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-02-17  3:39 Option to not automatically customize-save-variable `package-selected-packages'? alex
2016-02-17  4:10 ` John Wiegley
2016-02-17 10:02   ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-18 16:52     ` Aaron Ecay
2016-02-17 12:43   ` Joost Kremers
2016-02-17 10:14 ` Colin Baxter

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