From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#23426: 25.0.93; dired-do-find-regexp doesn't find newline Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 19:51:36 +0300 Message-ID: <83futxix5z.fsf@gnu.org> References: <<<57278BA0.6010604@h-rommerskirchen.de> <4xr3dj7yrk.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <9638d58e-0c5c-a587-c3a6-272254597b88@yandex.ru> <85ff912d-1457-487d-80b2-412389876172@default> <812a118d-331e-4f09-aeda-483ee71b1127@default>> <<838tzpkgtj.fsf@gnu.org>> > <<83r3dhizis.fsf@gnu.org>> <4befe332-60bb-4e0d-81ba-3cdb1041e8ec@default> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1462380761 28727 80.91.229.3 (4 May 2016 16:52:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 16:52:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 23426@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 04 18:52:30 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ay02H-0005of-I7 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 18:52:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49057 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ay02D-0003nh-Ss for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:52:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44767) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ay025-0003cg-BU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:52:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ay01t-0001St-Lb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:52:11 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:53965) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ay01t-0001SS-JP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:52:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ay01q-0001fV-7n for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:52:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 16:52:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23426 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 23426-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23426.14623807136399 (code B ref 23426); Wed, 04 May 2016 16:52:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 23426) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2016 16:51:53 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38069 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ay01h-0001f8-88 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:51:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53705) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ay01e-0001ev-NX for 23426@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:51:51 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ay01P-0001NL-4c for 23426@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:51:42 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:51988) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ay01P-0001Mu-1z; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:51:35 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2306 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ay01I-0004H6-Ih; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:51:29 -0400 In-reply-to: <4befe332-60bb-4e0d-81ba-3cdb1041e8ec@default> (message from Drew Adams on Wed, 4 May 2016 09:32:45 -0700 (PDT)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:117775 Archived-At: > Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 09:32:45 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: dgutov@yandex.ru, 23426@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Maintaining too many alternative UIs is a maintenance burden we cannot > > afford. > > Even if you left the existing `A' and `Q' code dormant, there > would likely be little noticeable problem. At least for a few > years, while letting users experiment with the new. > > Seriously, how much change has been needed recently for the > existing `A' and `Q' code? Code which you are anyway not > removing immediately. Asked and answered already. > The question I raised is only about the key bindings. We cannot move to a new UI without moving the key bindings, so your suggestion is at best impractical. > Can you show where I claimed ill will on anyone's part in making > this change? All over. > I'm sure the intentions were good ones. We all know what happens with good intentions. > As I said earlier, if the key bindings had not been taken over, > I would likely have said nothing at all about this new feature. It's not _what_ you say, it's _how_ you say it. > The maintenance burden of the existing `A' and `Q' code? The maintenance burden of the tags-loop-continue UI. > You're not removing it immediately anyway. Why the need to > take over those keys immediately? As a first significant step towards removing it.