From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#24443: 24.5; Feature: C-n and C-p to move logically while DOWN and UP move physically Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 17:39:09 +0300 Message-ID: <83fup16xde.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86lgytl3so.fsf@waniasset.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1473951928 5742 195.159.176.226 (15 Sep 2016 15:05:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 15:05:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 24443@debbugs.gnu.org To: Ed Avis Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 15 17:05:20 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bkYDo-0007dz-Cu for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 17:05:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35343 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bkYDm-0007nr-G7 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 11:05:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49168) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bkXpg-0003N9-8x for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 10:40:12 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bkXpa-0007Nn-Fi for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 10:40:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:34637) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bkXpa-0007Nh-2W for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 10:40:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bkXpZ-00056u-Uo for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 10:40:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 14:40:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24443 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 24443-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24443.147395036219589 (code B ref 24443); Thu, 15 Sep 2016 14:40:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 24443) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Sep 2016 14:39:22 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60582 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bkXos-00055k-06 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 10:39:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57976) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bkXom-00055R-3U for 24443@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 10:39:16 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bkXod-0006qq-KK for 24443@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 10:39:06 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:36812) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bkXod-0006qa-Gy; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 10:39:03 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1201 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bkXob-0002eM-G0; Thu, 15 Sep 2016 10:39:02 -0400 In-reply-to: <86lgytl3so.fsf@waniasset.com> (message from Ed Avis on Thu, 15 Sep 2016 13:56:39 +0100) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:123336 Archived-At: > From: Ed Avis > Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 13:56:39 +0100 > > Could I suggest that it might make sense for the more 'expert' > keystrokes C-n and C-p to default to logical line movement, while DOWN > and UP continue to move visually? Most people who use C-n and C-p will > be Emacs old-timers and remember the logical movement, or at least > understand how to rebind the keys to switch them to visual movement. > This way, rather than two key bindings for the same thing, the different > kinds of line movement both have a key binding. This could be a global minor mode, by default off. I don't think we can make this the default behavior after so many years of the current behavior. Note that this will also contradict the tutorial, which currently says the arrow keys move the same as C-n/C-p. Thanks.