From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#24802: emacs -Q -nw loads cl-lib Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 17:45:16 +0200 Message-ID: <83funcplo3.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83twbzt0w9.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1477931159 23102 195.159.176.226 (31 Oct 2016 16:25:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 16:25:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 24802@debbugs.gnu.org To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 31 17:25:49 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c1FOg-0001pT-6J for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 31 Oct 2016 17:25:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36815 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c1FOi-0006x9-Pm for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Mon, 31 Oct 2016 11:45:02 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Glenn Morris on Sun, 30 Oct 2016 19:49:26 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:125179 Archived-At: > From: Glenn Morris > Cc: 24802@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 19:49:26 -0400 > > As you said in > > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-10/msg00095.html > > Up until now, the rules for pre-loading package X were that either > (a) some preloaded package requires X, or (b) X will be > auto-loaded at the beginning of every session by some very > frequent operation, like visiting the first file or creating a > window or a frame. > > Here we have case b), without needing any operation at all. > > OK, it's not "every session", it's "every -nw session in an > xterm-like terminal", but IMO the same should apply. > > [1] I don't count the actual term/*.el files themselves in this, > because those that aren't preloaded have traditionally been trivial. > Perhaps xterm.el has become so large, and is used (I guess) in such a > large fraction of without-x builds, that it should be preloaded in > such builds, as x-win.el is in with-x builds. I think that's a > separate issue though. It would however make the issue in this report > obvious. That's exactly my line of reasoning: as long as we don't preload xterm.el, we shouldn't regard its loading of other files a problem.