From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Change of Lisp syntax for "fancy" quotes in Emacs 27? Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2018 17:00:19 +0300 Message-ID: <83ftxj18gc.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83y3bc2378.fsf@gnu.org> <4fjg1zzzzzzz.3lf.xxuns.g6.gal@portable.galex-713.eu> <83h8hz1eg1.fsf@gnu.org> <1q9xavzzzzzz.vci.xxuns.g6.gal@portable.galex-713.eu> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1538834361 11449 195.159.176.226 (6 Oct 2018 13:59:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2018 13:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Garreau\, Alexandre" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 06 15:59:16 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g8n6y-0002s9-HH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Oct 2018 15:59:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39343 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g8n95-00051r-7T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Oct 2018 10:01:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40185) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g8n8T-00051l-6o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Oct 2018 10:00:49 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g8n8S-0008L4-EN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Oct 2018 10:00:49 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:52056) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g8n8B-00082a-R6; Sat, 06 Oct 2018 10:00:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1174 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1g8n8A-0003sf-LM; Sat, 06 Oct 2018 10:00:31 -0400 In-reply-to: <1q9xavzzzzzz.vci.xxuns.g6.gal@portable.galex-713.eu> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:230253 Archived-At: > From: "Garreau\, Alexandre" > Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net > Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2018 14:10:17 +0200 > > afaik there are also problems in other contents than source code about > undistinguishable unicode character, such as the latin ?o and the > cyrillic ?о (the first example of unicode-powered typosquatting I ever > heard), the different spaces (sometimes not distinguishable in monospace > font), or, to stay on monospacing problems: I have great pain in writing > correct french text as I must always check in something not-emacs about > which one between ?– and ?— is the medium and the long dash (I normally > recall through their position on my keyboard but as they’re aside I > often forget), not to recall the different hacks about bidirectionality > you highlighted earlier. I also heard about emails confusing > semantic-based bayesian anti-spam by putting not-spammy words in mails > that, because of some unicode tricks, wouldn’t be displayed to user. This is the more general problem I mentioned up-thread: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2018-10/msg00052.html I agree that we should improve Emacs in that area, but I think it would be wrong to hold off fixing the issue with quotes because the more general problem is solved.