From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: CHECK_STRUCTS/dmpstruct.h mechanism is broken.
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 09:39:14 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83ftqn4til.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <93b861b3-41d2-e590-d4b8-46a4bb64bfe8@cs.ucla.edu> (message from Paul Eggert on Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:23:15 -0700)
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:23:15 -0700
>
> On 4/11/19 12:15 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > You want to test for system-dependent features with Make? How does
> > one do that?
>
> You execute the test as a 'make' rule that records the test's result as
> a makefile snippet (or as a .h file, or whatever).
Sure, but that means we'll need to rewrite all the Autoconf tests as
Make scripts, complete with the test programs and other stuff. Why is
such an effort worth our while?
> > Wouldn't we end up with heaps of Make wizardry only a few understand?
> Sure, just as we now have heaps of .m4 and shell etc. wizardry that only
> a few understand.
There's enough high-level, well documented Autoconf infrastructure
built on top of m4 that even I can write tests quite easily. If we
move to Make, we will have to reinvent that wheel entirely from
scratch.
> However, an advantage of using Make instead of M4 is that we already
> need to use Make anyway
I'm sure you know that we currently use about 10% of what GNU Make can
do. Moreover, using sophisticated Make facilities would mean we have
to require relatively recent versions of Make, which will be a
complication for some platforms.
> Another advantage is that Make can easily run in parallel whereas
> 'configure' does not.
The disadvantages are so many that this advantage drowns in them.
> 'cd lisp; make -j16 compile-always' took 38 real-time seconds
That's not the full build, you miss regenerating many files that
happens in a fresh checkout.
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Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-02-28 20:21 CHECK_STRUCTS/dmpstruct.h mechanism is broken Alan Mackenzie
2019-02-28 20:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-02-28 20:59 ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-03-01 7:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-01 13:09 ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-03-05 2:17 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-09 22:47 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-10 13:12 ` Andy Moreton
2019-04-10 14:59 ` Andy Moreton
2019-04-10 17:36 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-10 19:26 ` Andy Moreton
2019-04-10 19:43 ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-10 16:22 ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-04-10 18:05 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-10 19:45 ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-04-10 20:11 ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-11 4:11 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-15 12:36 ` Andy Moreton
2019-04-15 15:32 ` Andy Moreton
2019-04-15 15:53 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-11 13:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-11 4:17 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-10 18:47 ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-10 18:58 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-10 19:02 ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-10 19:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-11 9:35 ` Robert Pluim
2019-04-11 18:31 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-11 19:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-11 22:13 ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-12 6:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-11 22:23 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-11 22:26 ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-11 22:38 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-12 6:39 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2019-04-12 19:40 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-13 9:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-14 2:52 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-12 12:21 ` Andy Moreton
2019-04-12 13:37 ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-04-12 13:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-12 13:58 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-04-13 14:06 ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-04-13 14:46 ` About ./configure --cache-file (WAS: CHECK_STRUCTS/dmpstruct.h mechanism is broken.) Noam Postavsky
2019-04-14 2:44 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-14 3:26 ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-14 3:49 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-04-14 9:45 ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-04-14 14:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-14 14:44 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-04-14 14:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-13 8:11 ` CHECK_STRUCTS/dmpstruct.h mechanism is broken Achim Gratz
2019-04-14 2:52 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-14 3:28 ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-14 7:22 ` Achim Gratz
2019-04-14 23:29 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-15 11:31 ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-04-15 14:14 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-15 18:11 ` Richard Stallman
2019-04-16 18:10 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-22 2:18 ` Richard Stallman
2019-04-22 4:07 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-23 1:41 ` Richard Stallman
2019-04-23 3:48 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-23 6:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-23 16:28 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-23 17:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-23 17:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-24 2:26 ` Richard Stallman
2019-04-15 3:36 ` Richard Stallman
2019-04-15 5:30 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-11 19:55 ` Achim Gratz
2019-04-11 22:10 ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-11 22:47 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-11 22:44 ` Paul Eggert
2019-04-12 17:02 ` Daniele Nicolodi
2019-04-13 8:26 ` Achim Gratz
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