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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Andrea Corallo <akrl@sdf.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Native compilation: the bird-eye view
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 19:26:46 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83ftbzdewp.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xjfh7wgdokc.fsf@sdf.org> (message from Andrea Corallo on Sat, 16 May 2020 12:58:11 +0000)

> From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@sdf.org>
> Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 12:58:11 +0000
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> 
> > If so, they will have
> > to be generated on the end-user machines, or perhaps by whoever
> > prepares the Emacs binary distributions -- assuming that the binary
> > distributions are sufficiently compatible to allow that,
> > notwithstanding the differences between the system where the *.eln
> > files were generated and the system where they will be installed and
> > used.  (I don't know what is the granularity of the binary distros wrt
> > machine architecture and OS versions -- will that allow to be sure the
> > *.eln files are compatible with the target system?)
> 
> Given .eln are just shareds with (almost) no dependecies [1] their
> degree of compatibility should be higher then the Emacs binary itself.

Well, the "almost" part means we aren't actually sure about this.
E.g., what about the dependencies related to the GCC version used to
build libgccjit and compile the .eln files?

> > The next question is whether we want the *.eln files to exist up front
> > for all the Lisp files on the end-user system, or we want them to be
> > generated in JIT-like manner, whenever the corresponding Lisp library
> > is loaded on demand?  The answer to this question might then influence
> > the place where the *.eln files are kept -- the JIT alternative would
> > suggest to have some kind of cache directory where we put the compiled
> > files, similar to what Guile does.
> 
> I suspect that for the average user the best is to have the distribution
> do all the compilation upfront for him and have deferred compilation
> handling only additional libraries and packages.

And for the "non-average" user, who builds Emacs from sources?  AFAIU,
native compilation of all Lisp files takes many hours even on fast
machines -- won't this be an annoyance if we don't come up with a JIT
mechanism?



  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-05-16 16:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-16 11:51 Native compilation: the bird-eye view Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-16 12:58 ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-16 15:57   ` Paul Eggert
2020-05-16 16:26   ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2020-05-16 17:03     ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-16 17:35       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-16 17:44         ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-16 17:50           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-16 18:26             ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-16 18:32               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-16 18:41                 ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-18 14:27                   ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-19  5:08                     ` ASSI
2020-05-19 16:25                     ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-19 16:37                       ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-19 19:16                         ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-29 17:25                       ` Andrea Corallo
2020-06-02 15:16                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-06-03 14:23                         ` Andrea Corallo
2020-06-03 14:38                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-10  9:23                             ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-10 12:20                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-10 21:34                                 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-15 10:51                                   ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-15 15:00                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-19 15:01                                     ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-20  0:53                                       ` tumashu
2020-08-20  8:11                                         ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-23 12:19                                       ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-23 15:37                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-23 16:31                                           ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-23 18:20                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-24  8:03                                               ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-24 13:31                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-24 14:09                                                   ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-30 10:18                                             ` Path for system-wide .eln files (was: Native compilation: the bird-eye view) Ulrich Mueller
2020-08-30 20:50                                               ` Path for system-wide .eln files Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-30 21:51                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-31 19:13                                                   ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-31 21:16                                                     ` Ulrich Mueller
2020-09-01  4:28                                                       ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-01  7:16                                                         ` Ulrich Mueller
2020-09-01  8:46                                                           ` tomas
2020-09-04 17:55                                                           ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-04 18:25                                                             ` Ulrich Mueller
2020-09-04 19:47                                                               ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-04 20:01                                                                 ` Ulrich Mueller
2020-09-04 21:42                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-04 22:59                                                                     ` Ulrich Mueller
2020-09-05  2:58                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-05  7:10                                                                         ` Ulrich Mueller
2020-09-06  6:24                                                                           ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-05  7:48                                                                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-05-16 19:11               ` Native compilation: the bird-eye view Yuan Fu
2020-05-17  4:04                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-17 11:18                 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-16 22:09               ` John Wiegley
2020-05-17  4:11     ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-17  7:43       ` Andrea Corallo

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