From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#400: 23.0.60; C-h v should pick up lispified name in Customize Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 09:31:34 +0300 Message-ID: <83fssuany1.fsf@gnu.org> References: <007f01c8cca9$3cbbf770$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <875z8rum4k.fsf@gnus.org> <83o8mjnf5n.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5137"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 400@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 21 08:32:16 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mdRce-00017i-Ti for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 08:32:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53408 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdRcd-0001ea-AT for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 02:32:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44442) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdRcR-0001eO-FA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 02:32:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:44602) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdRcQ-0000vY-Lr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 02:32:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mdRcQ-0001EK-GZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 02:32:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 06:32:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 400 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 400-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B400.16347978904690 (code B ref 400); Thu, 21 Oct 2021 06:32:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 400) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2021 06:31:30 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56148 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mdRbu-0001Da-4n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 02:31:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42346) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mdRbr-0001DK-Vf for 400@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 02:31:28 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41074) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdRbm-0008KB-2R; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 02:31:22 -0400 Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1945 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdRbl-0004J8-3M; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 02:31:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Wed, 20 Oct 2021 14:02:35 -0700) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:217752 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 14:02:35 -0700 > Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 400@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > I don't see how using "C-h v" in that case is a reasonable use case, > > since the documentation is displayed right below the name of the > > option. > > > > We could perhaps have a help command that recognized names of > > variables in this format, but then it shouldn't be "C-h v", IMO, since > > that command talks about _variables_, whereas a name such as "Info > > Hide Note References" is not a variable name. > > I appreciate the merits of this point of view, but at the same time it > would be kind of nice with some DWIM here. > > I for one have gone through switching unlispify off, because it is > faster to hit `C-h v RET' (firmly committed to muscle memory) than > fiddling around with however it is you expand the documentation in a > customize buffer; I guess the fastest way is C-a RET TAB TAB TAB (until > point lands on "More") and then RET again. ??? The doc string is displayed by default, fully expanded. So why would you need to "expand" it? What am I missing? > So I think I would actually appreciate this feature, in particular if it > was on `C-h v' because that's what I use everywhere else for variables. > Even if it could perhaps be considered a bit "unclean". Even if I'm missing something above, and you don't see the full doc string by default, wouldn't it be better to have a special command in the Custom buffer to expand the doc string, than tweak "C-h v" to do something special in such cases?