From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, 61337@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#61337: 29.0.60; Setting frame-title-format makes Emacs to steal focus
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2023 09:15:16 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83fsbekn3v.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <871qmy465n.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Fri, 10 Feb 2023 10:15:48 +0800)
> From: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
> Cc: Óscar Fuentes <ofv@wanadoo.es>, 61337@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2023 10:15:48 +0800
>
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
> > But I guess we will need to agree to disagree here.
>
> I think you are both arguing over a misunderstanding.
I don't see a misunderstanding between us.
> Oscar's problem is that KWin focuses Emacs when it really should not,
> when Emacs has done nothing to ask for the focus, and is in fact
> iconified in a different desktop.
I understand that. I'm just saying that an Emacs user, even a user
such as myself, who knows one or two things about Emacs, has no way of
knowing whether, while the user was away of working with a desktop,
something happened that caused Emacs or WM to switch focus to the
Emacs's window on that desktop. The events that can cause this on a
modern system are a legion, and can be caused both by what Emacs does
in the background and by the system for any number of valid reasons.
Therefore, the first thing I, as a user, do when I want to resume my
work, is to find out which window has the input focus; I do NOT rely
on some prior knowledge of where I think the focus should be.
> And even worse, that focus is set in a way that cannot easily be
> perceived by the user.
If the WM doesn't provide good ways for the user to tell which window
has input focus, not even as a user customization, that WM is buggy
and should be fixed. But that is definitely not a problem for us to
solve.
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Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-02-07 5:07 bug#61337: 29.0.60; Setting frame-title-format makes Emacs to steal focus Oscar Fuentes
2023-02-07 14:15 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-07 15:29 ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-02-08 1:16 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-08 2:45 ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-02-08 3:59 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-08 4:15 ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-02-08 4:48 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-08 15:24 ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-02-09 2:20 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-09 3:17 ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-02-09 8:15 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-09 8:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-09 10:23 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-09 11:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-09 14:16 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-09 15:32 ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-02-09 15:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-09 16:17 ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-02-09 16:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-10 2:15 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-10 5:07 ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-02-10 7:15 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2023-02-10 1:59 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-10 4:56 ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-02-13 16:02 ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-02-14 2:02 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
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