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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, 61337@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#61337: 29.0.60; Setting frame-title-format makes Emacs to steal focus
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2023 09:15:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83fsbekn3v.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <871qmy465n.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Fri, 10 Feb 2023 10:15:48 +0800)

> From: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
> Cc: Óscar Fuentes <ofv@wanadoo.es>,  61337@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2023 10:15:48 +0800
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > But I guess we will need to agree to disagree here.
> 
> I think you are both arguing over a misunderstanding.

I don't see a misunderstanding between us.

> Oscar's problem is that KWin focuses Emacs when it really should not,
> when Emacs has done nothing to ask for the focus, and is in fact
> iconified in a different desktop.

I understand that.  I'm just saying that an Emacs user, even a user
such as myself, who knows one or two things about Emacs, has no way of
knowing whether, while the user was away of working with a desktop,
something happened that caused Emacs or WM to switch focus to the
Emacs's window on that desktop.  The events that can cause this on a
modern system are a legion, and can be caused both by what Emacs does
in the background and by the system for any number of valid reasons.

Therefore, the first thing I, as a user, do when I want to resume my
work, is to find out which window has the input focus; I do NOT rely
on some prior knowledge of where I think the focus should be.

> And even worse, that focus is set in a way that cannot easily be
> perceived by the user.

If the WM doesn't provide good ways for the user to tell which window
has input focus, not even as a user customization, that WM is buggy
and should be fixed.  But that is definitely not a problem for us to
solve.





  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-02-10  7:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-07  5:07 bug#61337: 29.0.60; Setting frame-title-format makes Emacs to steal focus Oscar Fuentes
2023-02-07 14:15 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-07 15:29   ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-02-08  1:16     ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-08  2:45       ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-02-08  3:59         ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-08  4:15           ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-02-08  4:48             ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-08 15:24               ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-02-09  2:20                 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-09  3:17                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-02-09  8:15                     ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-09  8:43                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-09 10:23                         ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-09 11:22                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-09 14:16                             ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-09 15:32                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-02-09 15:53                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-09 16:17                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-02-09 16:50                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-10  2:15                                       ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-10  5:07                                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-02-10  7:15                                         ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2023-02-10  1:59                                 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-02-10  4:56                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-02-13 16:02                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-02-14  2:02                                     ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors

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