From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#65913: with-help-window arranges for 'inhibit-read-only' to be set to 't' Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 19:55:13 +0300 Message-ID: <83fs3glmoe.fsf@gnu.org> References: <838r9anrmi.fsf@gnu.org> <83v8cem8pu.fsf@gnu.org> <83o7i5nbeq.fsf@gnu.org> <83fs3hmk33.fsf@gnu.org> <83jzsslojd.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4055"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 65913@debbugs.gnu.org, uzibalqa@proton.me, heimeborgia@protonmail.com, stefankangas@gmail.com, drew.adams@oracle.com To: Christopher Dimech Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 14 18:56:19 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qgpda-0000pN-Uq for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 18:56:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qgpdN-0007h9-9G; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 12:56:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qgpdF-0007gG-PU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 12:55:57 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qgpdF-0005Qv-Gx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 12:55:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qgpdK-0000Zx-BK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 12:56:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 16:56:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 65913 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 65913-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B65913.16947105422188 (code B ref 65913); Thu, 14 Sep 2023 16:56:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 65913) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Sep 2023 16:55:42 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41012 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qgpd0-0000ZE-GS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 12:55:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36636) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qgpcy-0000Yr-NW for 65913@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 12:55:42 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qgpcm-0005KU-Rn; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 12:55:28 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=6dyO+UWTHm1QKri/bVZHNl3EQXbnW1X4ZTPtUI0QDrI=; b=LOrE+u+/tF6Z Yy72YfD7NCSJPeBKwUx2XvZFAZtWGSv3H2JZt6deNJZYrlXo56fjUHGZ5NA13nD5Y3MmNL8gVvvLS ToiWhadPF3p5PhzIRs4qZliyetKmemJG+J33jab1axsVg+t/Sd14HnNAXRWZ2Utdsjcj3KEHhlxSb 5OgE3iaVIDO/CnpKSQ13ZkZW8yL0Y6KnSAt4O0TiabtZsZFFPCyK6Bc+1dVlKUVssa2pE8MVfvrbH oKLlbiNvab0YvmsZztSJg+MdKTiGMM4ke+NDStWxbUAoTukQAth57oot6Emn3/EeX7N6kuLDoEKab Xl391IYECKACcL3lXQNfCw==; In-Reply-To: (message from Christopher Dimech on Thu, 14 Sep 2023 18:40:16 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:270451 Archived-At: > From: Christopher Dimech > Cc: Drew Adams , uzibalqa@proton.me, > heimeborgia@protonmail.com, stefankangas@gmail.com, 65913@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 18:40:16 +0200 > > > Yes -- when either the manuals have information that is generally > > expected to be in the doc string, but we decided not to have it there > > (e.g., because it's very voluminous), or when the place in the manual > > where to look is not trivially clear from the doc string. > > I think the whole point is that if the information is available somewhere, > one should be able to access it (voluminous or not). Emacs shines in this area by providing commands that allow such easy access. One just has to use them. > > In most cases, the place where to look for the related information in > > the manuals is quite easily found: just visit the manual and then type > > "i SYMBOL RET", where SYMBOL is the name of the variable or the > > function whose doc string you are reading. > > There could be some information in the "Introduction to Programming in > Emacs Lisp" that illustrates an actual serious problem and how to get > to the information from within Emacs itself in an efficient way. We already have this in the Emacs user manual, see the beginning of the chapter "Help". It lists the various methods of finding relevant information in the available documentation.