From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#66022: 30.0.50; kmacro overwriting global keybindings Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 20:19:42 +0300 Message-ID: <83fs3be6vl.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83edixgwrr.fsf@gnu.org> <83bke1gusz.fsf@gnu.org> <83a5tlgoyz.fsf@gnu.org> <837copgnu3.fsf@gnu.org> <83y1h5f58u.fsf@gnu.org> <48b2ed95-ecd6-4e9f-bde5-835edc6aab15@gmail.com> <83o7hzedph.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21872"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, 66022@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 18 19:21:15 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qiHvv-0005RU-8a for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2023 19:21:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qiHvb-0003M6-IH; Mon, 18 Sep 2023 13:20:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qiHva-0003Lt-8c for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2023 13:20:54 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qiHvZ-0003Hb-UZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2023 13:20:54 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qiHvh-00012Z-TX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2023 13:21:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 17:21:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 66022 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 66022-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B66022.16950576023889 (code B ref 66022); Mon, 18 Sep 2023 17:21:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 66022) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Sep 2023 17:20:02 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54295 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qiHuj-00010b-RY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2023 13:20:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55334) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qiHue-00010E-Pc for 66022@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2023 13:20:00 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qiHuQ-0002ua-3E; Mon, 18 Sep 2023 13:19:42 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=Eed29vucV9isC6SbrBBA574JKylLflLje1Ll/qj7a4E=; b=IQ9t9Wp3WVlS Tc5AvF1lgDO/jqBlQFwYgpsjQW9VOorlo/wYLk0WfLJ8KMqB8FauAt8KwzY91Igix6CS1Lz2bDxfk BrN2Pm0XxY3PEKOtnvmVQyYHGyEPU+jLc0Qped9maJrZ8IkQ5Cl/Z7s9+fvvZmfZ/OwuPFwUTmJEP nbDW8mbsuXGa7HZCBUkioMVM6rw97sTIzk+q//x0Mt9kqH+lUp2xLHyB8+6xeV4KH0dJNUjrTuzQm FpvP/W032rS9yYJud4APksVbdkS+xU/i6iL1EuL2DRss8RDhM4YK3H2iiYjqepYjl88z5BL8yxlEM Ge/p0jNTepp6Yj7L1cfrkQ==; In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Mon, 18 Sep 2023 12:23:31 -0400) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:270828 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 66022@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 12:23:31 -0400 > > >> Any idea why a call to 'documentation' loads loaddefs? Did you indeed > >> "hack the Emacs you were running"? > > No idea, and I didn't hack it at all. This was a minute after I started > > a newly-build Emacs, wondered why a C-c C-k binding didn't work. > > Hmm... sounds like we have a real bug, then! Or a hidden feature ;-) I think we should look at the conditions which will cause 'documentation' to load loaddefs. Which part of it could load loaddefs? Maybe set a breakpoint in Fload conditioned by the FILE being loaddefs.el(c), and look at the backtrace?