From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Android port of Emacs Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2023 06:20:51 +0000 Message-ID: <83f64da10bfab98a840a@heytings.org> References: <83v8fnslfz.fsf@gnu.org> <121acd3282a64abf77d6@heytings.org> <87y1khd2jb.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39700"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 18 08:21:55 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qAlnO-000A72-Pn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 08:21:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qAlmU-0005iv-1T; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 02:20:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qAlmS-0005iR-PL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 02:20:57 -0400 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qAlmQ-0002Di-Ky; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 02:20:56 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20220101; t=1687069251; bh=zuX6/kTREYTso5ixjxSGapCzZvgEYD4JSnDYi38qZS4=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=UqXnBb4fqi4zu+6MqRScWs4Oh9RVQy8PIRvB3hyQVdTvRkr88fAhbcSrFRAZh/zJa 59K0QtiEE6YyWetvQOWaTgrYjB8T464E5cT7cJo7qlQ2AYkDJQRDVpB2MiOWiVLDdg XFb1HJme8de55ciMRfD51S+VFyDidJu+SaSqOY3hFve1IuJDe2ztPHU33dDOSExruh ebF7V7LYi1kJGJ34CZQtkFVs/qtRUrcIHq+NkAA1BwCM6ajs8+H+21XqcQmKCxekWp r2cZ17oF3DIDiWiX7VlPGOMMQ5yA3E32JusDOJ6rlSnLDgJ8clG8PpH7uMoYYwQy3d vSlFS/rZcdMBg== In-Reply-To: <87y1khd2jb.fsf@yahoo.com> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.142.160.155; envelope-from=gregory@heytings.org; helo=heytings.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:306911 Archived-At: >> Indeed. There is another data point that should, I believe, be >> mentioned: users who want to run Emacs on an Android device can already >> do so, with both its TUI and GUI, without any changes whatsoever on the >> Emacs side. See for instance this five years old Reddit post: >> https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/9m76ak/termux_package_emacsx/. >> That post mentions the "XServer XSDL" X server; a year later the Termux >> folks started the development of their own X server implementation for >> Android, Termux:X11. > > That's adequate to the same extent that Cygwin/X is adequate for running > Emacs. Or actually much less adequate, seeing as that X server doesn't > support input methods, clipboard data other than text, or touch screen > devices. Try to scroll a window without a keyboard or mouse wheel. > Sorry, but that's wrong, or at the very least exaggerated, AFAICS. Termux does support input methods (see e.g. https://wiki.termux.com/wiki/Touch_Keyboard), and Termux:X11 does of course support touch screen devices (see https://github.com/termux/termux-x11). Please be factual, and add pointers to some external places. I did not check your claim about "clipboard data other than text", I don't even know what that means. I just tried to copy-paste a cat image from a browser (I tried both Firefox and Chrome) to Emacs on GNU/Linux, it did not work. And even assuming that minor feature would work on GNU/Linux and not on Android, it would make life of Android users slightly less convenient, which does not seem a problem in itself. > > Also, that build is more or less broken: > > https://github.com/termux/termux-packages/issues/10083 > A single bug report indicating that "sometimes when copy pasting text in emacs-x it freezes with clock icon." is not synonymous to "more or less broken" in my book.