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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Adrian Robert <Adrian.B.Robert@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Proposal to improve the nomenclature of scrolling directions
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 19:36:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83ehk63a7h.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <loom.20121106T174827-174@post.gmane.org>

> From: Adrian Robert <Adrian.B.Robert@gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 17:24:08 +0000 (UTC)
> 
> Stephen J. Turnbull <stephen <at> xemacs.org> writes:
> 
> > 
> > Nix writes:
> > 
> >  > (Even on mobile devices with touchscreens, where you swipe the text
> >  > to move the text up, that operation is *still* called 'scrolling
> >  > down'.)
> > 
> > Which drives me nuts, because it's the text that moves (and that's
> > true in editors, as well).  For me it's "page down" but "scroll the
> > text up".  "Scroll [nothing in particular but Do What I Mean dammit]
> > <direction>" is just uninterpretable to me. 
> 
> Sure, the text moves, but we don't care about it.

Alas, people _do_ care about what they do vs what they say or see.
Try calling something white "black" and see if it sticks.

> "Scroll down" refers to what happens with the *viewer's* perspective
> into the content that we are focusing on.

This reasoning would work if you'd need to swipe the window's frame
down, and text would then move up.  But that's not what's happening:
the user must explicitly swipe the text UP.

This is different from desktops, where you press a key labeled "Page
Down", and don't make any gestures in the upward direction.



  reply	other threads:[~2012-11-06 17:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-04 14:10 Proposal to improve the nomenclature of scrolling directions Dani Moncayo
2012-11-04 14:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-04 15:00   ` Dani Moncayo
2012-11-04 17:07     ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-11-04 17:30       ` Dani Moncayo
2012-11-04 17:31       ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-04 17:35         ` Dani Moncayo
2012-11-04 18:23           ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-04 19:10             ` Dani Moncayo
2012-11-04 19:39               ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-04 20:01                 ` Dani Moncayo
2012-11-05 11:07                 ` Richard Stallman
2012-11-05 12:25                   ` Dani Moncayo
2012-11-05 14:56                     ` Nix
2012-11-05 15:39                       ` Teemu Likonen
2012-11-07  8:12                       ` Harald Hanche-Olsen
2012-11-13  9:05                         ` Bastien
2012-11-13 17:05                           ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-05  3:29           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-11-05  7:27             ` Dani Moncayo
2012-11-05 12:44             ` Jambunathan K
2012-11-05  2:44     ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-05  7:24       ` Dani Moncayo
2012-11-05 23:32         ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-06 21:29           ` Daniel Hackney
2012-11-05 11:06 ` Richard Stallman
2012-11-05 15:00   ` Nix
2012-11-06  1:25     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-11-06 17:24       ` Adrian Robert
2012-11-06 17:36         ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2012-11-06 17:50         ` Drew Adams
2012-11-06 19:14           ` John Yates
2012-11-05 18:05 ` Daniel Hackney
2012-11-06  1:53   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-11-07 16:31     ` Nix
2012-11-08  1:49       ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-08 17:33         ` Nix
2012-11-08 18:14           ` Eli Barzilay
2012-11-08 18:18             ` Nix
2012-11-08 18:39               ` Eli Barzilay
2012-11-08 18:39               ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-09  9:50                 ` martin rudalics
2012-11-09 14:18                   ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-08 18:40               ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-08 18:48                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-11-08 19:29                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-09  2:52                 ` Richard Stallman
2012-11-09  7:35                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-09 14:20                     ` Nix
2012-11-09 14:56                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-09 20:24                         ` Nix
2012-11-10 11:09                         ` martin rudalics
2012-11-10 11:40                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-10 14:11                             ` martin rudalics
2012-11-10  0:13                     ` Richard Stallman
2012-11-10  7:42                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-10 11:09                         ` martin rudalics
2012-11-10 11:45                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-10 11:48                             ` Nix
2012-11-10 14:38                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-10 14:47                                 ` Nix
2012-11-10 14:10                             ` martin rudalics
2012-11-10 14:49                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-10 18:50                                 ` martin rudalics
2012-11-10 19:09                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-10 11:10                       ` martin rudalics
2012-11-10 11:46                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-10 14:12                           ` martin rudalics
2012-11-09  9:51           ` martin rudalics
2012-11-09 14:19             ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-10 11:05               ` martin rudalics
2012-11-08  7:18       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-11-08 11:12         ` Stephen Leake
2012-11-08 15:43           ` Drew Adams
2012-11-08 17:35             ` Nix
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2012-11-06 17:55 Dmitry Gutov
2012-11-07  0:53 ` Richard Stallman
2012-11-07 15:17   ` Drew Adams
2012-11-07 16:23     ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-07 18:03       ` Drew Adams
2012-11-07 18:34         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-07 21:00           ` Drew Adams
2012-11-07 21:17             ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-08 22:18         ` Daniel Hackney
2012-11-07 21:12   ` Mathias Dahl
2012-11-07 21:41     ` Dmitry Gutov
2012-11-08 19:26       ` Bruce Korb
2012-11-13  9:07       ` Bastien
     [not found] <201211080338.qA83c7NY006393@winooski.ccs.neu.edu>
     [not found] ` <20635.16010.769769.433949@winooski.ccs.neu.edu>
2012-11-08 16:48   ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-09  9:50     ` martin rudalics
2012-11-09 14:17       ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-09 15:27         ` Eli Barzilay
2012-11-10 11:05         ` martin rudalics
2012-11-10 11:38           ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-10 14:09             ` martin rudalics
2012-11-10 14:40               ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-10 18:49                 ` martin rudalics

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