From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12911: 24.3.50; let users decide where (& perhaps whether) `emacs_backtrace.txt' files are written Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:40:10 +0200 Message-ID: <83ehjpxwqd.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83wqxk3d1z.fsf@gnu.org> <83y5hyxnb1.fsf@gnu.org> <83wqxhy4ha.fsf@gnu.org> <83fw45xxzk.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1353350462 15821 80.91.229.3 (19 Nov 2012 18:41:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:41:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 12911@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 19 19:41:12 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TaWHQ-0001ut-2O for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:41:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47567 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TaWHF-00020I-Lo for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:41:01 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38416) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TaWHC-00020D-R3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:40:59 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TaWHB-00076T-K8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:40:58 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:45209) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TaWHB-00076J-GC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:40:57 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TaWID-0004Mx-WA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:42:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:42:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12911 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 12911-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12911.135335050216767 (code B ref 12911); Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:42:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 12911) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Nov 2012 18:41:42 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55460 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TaWHu-0004MO-2x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:41:42 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:39876) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TaWHr-0004MG-SY for 12911@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:41:41 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MDQ00600ZOXBZ00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 12911@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:40:33 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MDQ006S2ZVK8D30@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:40:33 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:67173 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, 12911@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:35:15 -0500 > > >> >> >> No need to change anything on platforms where stderr works. > >> >> > stderr works on Windows as well. See the code I wrote. > >> >> If stderr works, then why do we need emacs_backtrace.txt? > >> > For when the stuff written to stderr ends up in the Great Void, or > >> > scrolls off the screen, or whatever. > >> Right. That's what I meant by "stderr doesn't work" (IOW while it does > >> work in some cases, it can't be relied upon). > > But then your first sentence above applies not only to Windows, > > because stderr "doesn't work" in this sense on Unix as well. > > I don't know of any case under Unix where stderr is dumped into the > great void It can still scroll off the screen. Or end up in some file that the window-system developers or admins set up, and that is some random or unknown place, as far as Emacs users and maintainers are concerned. I see no significant difference. > >> So let me reword my suggestion: > >> I suggested to change the code such that, in those cases where we need > >> to use emacs_backtrace.txt, we use ~/.emacs.d/backtrace.txt instead. > > I already agreed to this, provided that Emacs puts stderr output there > > on all platforms. > > Yes, on all platforms where emacs_backtrace.txt is needed (in practice, > this does reduce to w32, AFAIK). No, on _all_ platforms. But I'm repeating myself.