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> From: Ashton Kemerling <ashtonkemerling@gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 19:04:08 -0600
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> 
> I think at this point Emacs is about as far from a WYSIWYG editor as you
> can get

Not true.  It's only not WYSIWYG when editing human-readable text.

> 2) Most people who are a fan of WYSIWYG want a shallow learning curve
> with a shallow product.

If you ever used Office, you know that's about as far from truth as
far can get.