From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20322: 25.0.50; indent-tabs-mode should default to nil Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 19:23:02 +0300 Message-ID: <83egni9121.fsf@gnu.org> References: <861tjn3069.fsf@yandex.ru> <552D20B6.8030005@yandex.ru> <83mw2abul3.fsf@gnu.org> <552D34BC.4090806@yandex.ru> <83h9sibt0q.fsf@gnu.org> <552D7796.2090109@yandex.ru> <83vbgx9xtl.fsf@gnu.org> <55307468.8070307@yandex.ru> <83y4lr8bbf.fsf@gnu.org> <553115E2.6050809@yandex.ru> <83iocu95yu.fsf@gnu.org> <55312D04.5070209@yandex.ru> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1429287861 29421 80.91.229.3 (17 Apr 2015 16:24:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 16:24:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 20322@debbugs.gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 17 18:24:11 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Yj93q-0006lp-5f for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 17 Apr 2015 18:24:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42625 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yj93p-0005ft-KY for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 17 Apr 2015 12:24:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40955) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yj93l-0005fc-P3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Apr 2015 12:24:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yj93i-0008Oe-Je for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Apr 2015 12:24:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:41236) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yj93i-0008Oa-Gm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Apr 2015 12:24:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Yj93i-0004F4-BL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Apr 2015 12:24:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 16:24:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20322 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 20322-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20322.142928779916207 (code B ref 20322); Fri, 17 Apr 2015 16:24:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20322) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Apr 2015 16:23:19 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59245 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Yj931-0004DL-Gt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Apr 2015 12:23:19 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout26.012.net.il ([80.179.55.182]:48583) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Yj930-0004Cz-0S for 20322@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Apr 2015 12:23:18 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout26.012.net.il by mtaout26.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NMY00I00LHJ3000@mtaout26.012.net.il> for 20322@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Apr 2015 19:24:40 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout26.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NMY00687LL4UFA0@mtaout26.012.net.il>; Fri, 17 Apr 2015 19:24:40 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <55312D04.5070209@yandex.ru> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:101639 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 18:55:48 +0300 > From: Dmitry Gutov > CC: 20322@debbugs.gnu.org > > > But there's nothing wrong with this particular default. It doesn't > > reduce any functionality. Users that aren't annoyed enough will learn > > to live with it; those with higher motivation will discover how to > > change that soon enough. There's no real problem here. Unlike other > > arguments we had about changing defaults (font-lock, colors, and menus > > come to mind), this one does not affect any functionality at all. > > The indentation style is one of the obvious bikeshedding topics. I > suspect a significant fraction of Emacs users try to make it just right > in their config from the start. > > If you think that that value is not a problem, you shouldn't object to > changing it to appease the majority either. No, it means there aren't any good reasons to change the long established defaults.