From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#23372: 25.0.93; text-quoting-style missing from manual and from customize Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 09:43:53 +0300 Message-ID: <83eg9rzh3q.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87wpnlq1xu.fsf@gmail.com> <83lh40287l.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1461739522 25232 80.91.229.3 (27 Apr 2016 06:45:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 06:45:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: nljlistbox2@gmail.com, 23372@debbugs.gnu.org To: John Wiegley Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 27 08:45:10 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1avJDi-00085X-JF for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 08:45:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41244 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1avJDi-0001np-4j for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 02:45:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55321) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1avJDf-0001m0-9n for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 02:45:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1avJDa-0002wY-BY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 02:45:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:36989) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1avJDa-0002wR-8N for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 02:45:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avJDZ-0003xC-LB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 02:45:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 06:45:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23372 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix notabug Original-Received: via spool by 23372-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23372.146173946315140 (code B ref 23372); Wed, 27 Apr 2016 06:45:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 23372) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Apr 2016 06:44:23 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49326 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avJCx-0003w7-A6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 02:44:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35946) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avJCv-0003vv-Nf for 23372@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 02:44:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1avJCp-0002pl-Gd for 23372@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 02:44:16 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:41688) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1avJCj-0002oN-Kf; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 02:44:09 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2784 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1avJCi-0003xw-Px; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 02:44:09 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from John Wiegley on Tue, 26 Apr 2016 20:02:16 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:116899 Archived-At: > From: John Wiegley > Cc: eliz@gnu.org, nljlistbox2@gmail.com > Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 20:02:16 -0400 > > >> It _should_ be a user option. You've radically changed the default behavior > >> of Emacs. Give individual users a simple way to undo your choice. This is > >> at least as important as letting a user change the default appearance of a > >> face. > > > I don't think we know enough about the impact of this feature to make that > > decision at this time. We will have to see how it is accepted by the users > > out there first. It could be deemed by the majority as the best invention > > since sliced bread. Having a variable to disable it is a good fire escape > > for now. > > I believe it should be a customizable option. Reason: I want to customize that > option and turn it off; and I'd much rather use customize-option to do it than > add Lisp code to my .emacs (which I almost never have to do for variables, so > I don't see why this should be a special case). I don't object too strongly to having this as a defcustom, but I still want to point out that having 2 (or 3) people who want this as a defcustom is not necessarily a large enough sample for us to change past decisions before we release even a single Emacs version with the feature. It is easy to make a variable into a defcustom; the inverse is generally much harder. > So, would someone please make this variable into a customizable > option? I can do so by the weekend if no one else gets to it. If it's going to be a defcustom, I guess we need suitable changes in NEWS and in the user manual.