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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: master f995fbd: * lisp/server.el (server-name): Add autoload cookie. (Bug#23576)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 16:34:40 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83eg8w97kf.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvvb29rkzs.fsf-monnier+gmane.emacs.devel@gnu.org> (message from Stefan Monnier on Fri, 20 May 2016 08:12:48 -0400)

> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
> Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 08:12:48 -0400
> 
> > It's nuisance to load a package before you can set a variable which
> > should be used on the first use of the package's functionality.  It's
> > easy to forget to load first, and then seeing "No match" or some such
> > is an annoyance.
> 
> Right, but that's true of many other variables.
> It's a known problem that shouldn't be fixed by preloading every
> variable, but by making completion more clever.

I'm all for it.  But as long as no one is working on that, I see no
better way than autoloading the variables.  Users shouldn't suffer
from our lack of resources or motivation.

> > Because the value should be set before the first invocation of
> > server-start.  If you set it after starting the server, it's too late.
> > That's not something that happens with _all_ the other defcustoms.
> 
> Maybe not all, but many.

We should handle that on a per-variable basis.



  reply	other threads:[~2016-05-20 13:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <20160518194708.86FE0220157@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
2016-05-19 16:44   ` master f995fbd: * lisp/server.el (server-name): Add autoload cookie. (Bug#23576) Glenn Morris
2016-05-19 17:13     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-20  4:07       ` Leo Liu
2016-05-20  5:51         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-20  7:11           ` Leo Liu
2016-05-20  7:46             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-20  8:48               ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-05-20  9:41                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-20 12:12                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-05-20 13:34                     ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2016-05-20 18:29                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-05-20 18:59                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-26  3:01                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-05-26  3:36                             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-05-26 15:38                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-27 19:51                               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-05-28  7:11                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-06-17 16:42                               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-06-17 20:35                                 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-06-17 22:35                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-06-18  2:20                                     ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-06-18  2:38                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-06-18 18:09                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-06-18 20:05                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-06-23 13:45                                         ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-06-23 13:48                                           ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-06-23 14:27                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-06-23 14:48                                             ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-06-23 14:30                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-06-23 15:35                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-06-23 15:52                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-06-24 14:01                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-01 13:33                                     ` Robert Weiner
2016-07-01 15:51                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-05-20 17:30       ` Glenn Morris
2016-05-20 17:47         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-20 18:15           ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-05-20 18:55             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-21  4:25               ` Leo Liu
2016-05-21  6:52                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-21  7:05                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-05-21  7:32                     ` Eli Zaretskii

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