From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs? Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 18:36:38 +0300 Message-ID: <83eg76n5h5.fsf@gnu.org> References: <56BE7E37.3090708@cs.ucla.edu> <4hd1rw1ubr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vb50wxhv.fsf@gnu.org> <87y49vz4cg.fsf@acer.localhost.com> <87twg2g86g.fsf@lifelogs.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1467820036 22567 80.91.229.3 (6 Jul 2016 15:47:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 15:47:16 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 06 17:47:15 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bKp2h-0005xd-L1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 17:47:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34355 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKp2g-000721-NX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 11:47:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35839) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKosl-0004iH-77 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 11:37:00 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKosg-0004kd-3N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 11:36:58 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:35929) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKosg-0004kQ-0C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 11:36:54 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4458 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bKose-00058W-3L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 11:36:52 -0400 In-reply-to: <87twg2g86g.fsf@lifelogs.com> (message from Ted Zlatanov on Wed, 06 Jul 2016 10:20:07 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205266 Archived-At: > From: Ted Zlatanov > Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 10:20:07 -0400 > > Currently, I think ChangeLogs are a barrier to contribution. The vast > majority of other software projects don't use them. We don't have ChangeLogs anymore. So I'm not sure what is this about, please clarify. > So I would suggest moving to a pull request system, where code review > from a second contributor is required to merge any non-trivial code > (exceptions should be granted based on years contributing to Emacs). > That also gives *everyone* the opportunity to comment on the code before > it's merged, instead of post-facto. Clearly services such as Github and > BitBucket and many others have been offering this functionality for a > while with good results. Everyone can comment on patches now, but almost no one does. How can we be sure this arrangement will work? It could be a tremendous impediment to development if everyone must wait for comments that never come.