From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord)
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Adding streams for standard out and standard err
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 17:21:43 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83eg6nysug.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87oa5sexis.fsf@russet.org.uk> (phillip.lord@russet.org.uk)
> From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord)
> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 23:48:43 +0100
>
> For a while I've wanted Emacs to have the ability to write to standard
> out, and/or standard err, when not running in batch. Mostly, I've wanted
> for debugging, as it involves touching no buffers at all.
Can we take a step back and talk about the need and the use cases?
Here're some thoughts related to this:
. We already have (append-to-file START END FILENAME), which can be
used to write a buffer or a string to a file. FILENAME can be
"/dev/stderr" on Posix platforms, for example, or it can be a real
file name.
. On TTY frames, writing to standard streams can end up on the
screen, in which case it will mess up the display.
. On GUI frames, writing to standard streams can end up in some
unpredictable place on the system, or even in the bitbucket,
depending on what window system, desktop, and window manager are
installed. On some systems, standard streams have invalid file
descriptors in GUI sessions.
So this proposed functionality sounds (a) not really necessary, and
(b) somewhat unreliable/dangerous. If you have specific use cases
where the existing functionality doesn't fit the bill, and the issues
mentioned above are non-issues, please describe those use cases.
Thanks.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-07-21 14:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-07-20 22:48 Adding streams for standard out and standard err Phillip Lord
2016-07-21 7:12 ` Andreas Schwab
2016-07-21 18:42 ` Phillip Lord
2016-07-25 7:35 ` Andreas Schwab
2016-07-21 14:21 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2016-07-21 14:40 ` Paul Eggert
2016-07-21 15:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-21 19:01 ` Phillip Lord
2016-07-21 18:52 ` Phillip Lord
2016-07-21 19:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-21 20:13 ` Phillip Lord
2016-07-22 6:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-22 15:43 ` Phillip Lord
2016-07-21 22:15 ` Davis Herring
2016-08-02 23:35 ` John Wiegley
2016-07-22 14:48 ` Phil Sainty
2016-07-22 15:42 ` Phillip Lord
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