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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: rms@gnu.org, johnw@gnu.org, p.stephani2@gmail.com,
	michael.albinus@gmx.de, monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA,
	27986@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#27986: 26.0.50; 'rename-file' can rename files without confirmation
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 20:09:48 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83efrdrwkj.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f2ea6165-4958-cb65-279b-f113c720e68b@cs.ucla.edu> (message from Paul Eggert on Mon, 11 Sep 2017 09:45:48 -0700)

> Cc: monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA, johnw@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org,
>  p.stephani2@gmail.com, 27986@debbugs.gnu.org, michael.albinus@gmx.de
> From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 09:45:48 -0700
> 
> On 09/11/2017 07:47 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > do these changes modify interactive
> > behavior in incompatible ways?  I thought we agreed to leave the
> > interactive behavior intact, and only change the non-interactive uses.
> >
> That wasn't my understanding. In our last email exchange about 
> interactivity I proposed that Emacs prompt the user when the destination 
> is not a directory name but happens to be a directory (see 
> Bug#27986#97), but you were dubious about that (Bug#27986#100) so I left 
> it alone.
> 
> I normally use dired to rename files in Emacs, and dired's behavior 
> hasn't changed as far as I can tell. Where there is a bit of a change is 
> when using M-x rename-file directly. Here, in the typical case with file 
> name completion there is still no difference, since names of destination 
> directories are completed to have trailing /. However, if one uses "M-x 
> rename-file foo RET and then laboriously types out the name of an 
> existing directory /tmp/destination-dir without using completion and 
> without trailing / before hitting RET, one will notice a difference: 
> rename-file will now say "File /tmp/destination-dir already exists; 
> rename to it anyway? (yes or no)" and if one types "yes" the rename will 
> typically fail. So yes, this is a (noisy) incompatibility with previous 
> usage. If you like I can go back and implement the suggestion in 
> Bug#27986#97; this would be more-compatible with existing usage. I 
> suggest leaving it alone, though, as things are simpler and easier to 
> explain the way they are.

I think there was a confusion here between interactive and
non-interactive uses of rename-file.  For interactive use, AFAIR we
agreed that the behavior should stay as before, in particular to be
consistent with e.g. invocation of 'mv' from the shell prompt.

For non-interactive use, we agreed to change the behavior wrt
directories, with a slight preference to signaling an error even if
the target is an empty directory.





  reply	other threads:[~2017-09-11 17:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-06 15:40 bug#27986: 26.0.50; `rename-file' can rename files without confirmation Philipp
2017-08-06 17:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-14 17:09   ` Philipp Stephani
2017-08-14 17:22     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-11  8:15 ` bug#27986: 26.0.50; 'rename-file' " Paul Eggert
2017-08-13 22:42   ` Paul Eggert
2017-08-14 15:40     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-14 23:31       ` Paul Eggert
2017-08-15 16:04         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-15 17:24           ` Paul Eggert
2017-08-15 17:42             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-15 19:27               ` Paul Eggert
2017-08-16  2:36                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-16  5:06                   ` Paul Eggert
2017-08-16 14:21                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-16 15:15                       ` Paul Eggert
2017-08-16 16:06                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-16 17:19                           ` Paul Eggert
2017-08-16 17:30                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-16 18:06                               ` Glenn Morris
2017-08-16 22:31                               ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-16 23:56                                 ` Paul Eggert
2017-08-17  0:04                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-19  6:54                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-10 22:49                                   ` Paul Eggert
2017-09-11  6:07                                     ` Paul Eggert
2017-09-11 14:47                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-11 16:45                                         ` Paul Eggert
2017-09-11 17:09                                           ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2017-09-11 17:25                                             ` Paul Eggert
2017-09-12  9:25                                       ` Michael Albinus
2017-08-13 23:48   ` Paul Eggert
2017-08-14 13:44     ` Ken Brown
2017-08-14 15:21       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-14 15:34     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-14 16:33       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-14 16:58       ` Philipp Stephani
2017-08-14 17:04         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-14 16:50     ` Philipp Stephani
2017-08-14 23:03       ` Paul Eggert
2017-08-15  1:19         ` Paul Eggert
2017-08-15  2:35         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-15  7:00           ` Paul Eggert
2017-08-15 16:08             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-16 19:33         ` Ken Brown
2017-08-19 21:30           ` Ken Brown
2017-08-19 21:37             ` Paul Eggert
2017-08-19 22:04               ` Ken Brown
2017-08-19 22:38                 ` Paul Eggert
2017-08-15 12:45 ` Andy Moreton
2017-08-15 16:18   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-19 21:33 ` bug#27986: 26.0.50; 'rename-file' can rename files without Richard Stallman
2017-08-20  2:37   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-25 20:33     ` John Wiegley
2017-08-26  7:30       ` Eli Zaretskii

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