From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode as default Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2018 20:38:48 +0300 Message-ID: <83efd72amv.fsf@gnu.org> References: <<<83k1nxvm5j.fsf@gnu.org>>> <<<87sh2ih0bp.fsf@fastmail.fm>> <<770f48a8-664a-40ae-8e03-19f6aad248b6@default>> <<20180910181615.GA4829@ACM>> <> <<874lev3bq4.fsf@toy.adminart.net>>> <<<20180912131602.GA5582@ACM>> <<87d0tihxzw.fsf@toy.adminart.net>>> <<<20180913174640.GB4019@ACM>> <<8736udkuit.fsf@toy.adminart.net>>> <<<20180914104833.GA4103@ACM>> <> <<83k1nojgia.fsf@gnu.org>> <<7bed1f76-5bae-44cb-9b22-206b513043be@default>> <<83d0tfkj77.fsf@gnu.org>> <1c393214-c186-4760-9a37-e0450c946446@default>> <<83zhwji4hx.fsf@gnu.org>> <1fa9c23a-158e-4030-97bb-de686e8142f7@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1538588357 32189 195.159.176.226 (3 Oct 2018 17:39:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2018 17:39:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: hw@adminart.net, spacibba@aol.com, joostkremers@fastmail.fm, npostavs@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, yurivkhan@gmail.com, acm@muc.de, drew.adams@oracle.com, phillip.lord@russet.org.uk To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 03 19:39:12 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g7l79-0008EL-SQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Oct 2018 19:39:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51204 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g7l9G-0005NK-Gd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Oct 2018 13:41:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43581) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g7l8b-0005ND-F8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Oct 2018 13:40:42 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g7l8a-0008Is-Bc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Oct 2018 13:40:41 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:49711) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1g7l7H-0007R8-5M; Wed, 03 Oct 2018 13:39:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3752 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1g7l72-0003Xq-Pq; Wed, 03 Oct 2018 13:39:05 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Richard Stallman on Tue, 02 Oct 2018 20:22:44 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:230207 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: eliz@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, hw@adminart.net, > spacibba@aol.com, joostkremers@fastmail.fm, > npostavs@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, yurivkhan@gmail.com, > acm@muc.de, phillip.lord@russet.org.uk > Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2018 20:22:44 -0400 > > > Good to hear. I (mis)understood that, based on > > this from RMS on 09/10: > > > ELi and I, the Emacs maintainers, are both > > opposed to making delete-selection-mode > > the default. > > > I misread that as a decision by the maintainers. > > That's what I meant it as. Eli had said he was against this change. > I hope he is against it once again. My opinion was and remains that delete-selection-mode cannot be turned on by default without also taking some additional measures. My suggestions for one possible set of such measures drowned in the irrelevant noise. If someone wants to implement some variant of my suggestions, or come up with a different idea to the same effect, we can then resume the discussion whether delete-selection-mode could be enabled by default together with implementing these additional measures. The "no such decision was made" part wanted to tell that this "discussion" was hardly conducive to any decision-making, and consequently no decisions were made. Each one remains of their previous opinions, for now.