From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master 0161c9d 1/2: Load all generic-x.el modes unconditionally Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 21:29:48 +0200 Message-ID: <83eehmh07n.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20210209160550.18823.10795@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <20210209160551.832FB20AD1@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <87o8gti2ln.fsf@gnus.org> <83sg65jffx.fsf@gnu.org> <83im71j96z.fsf@gnu.org> <83czx8k3gn.fsf@gnu.org> <83sg64hqzj.fsf@gnu.org> <83im6zj1bo.fsf@gnu.org> <83k0reh6l6.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28899"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 11 20:54:58 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lAI3G-0007Nz-CQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 20:54:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40286 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAI3F-0004h6-Cb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 14:54:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53684) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAHet-00075O-74 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 14:29:55 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([209.51.188.10]:53796) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAHes-0005ky-It; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 14:29:46 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2061 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lAHep-0002Qe-6k; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 14:29:43 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Thu, 11 Feb 2021 12:00:08 -0600) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264432 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 12:00:08 -0600 > Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > I'm also not sure we should ask what some users "might" want, because > that seems to me too broad. I think that for any idea, you can always > find those one or two users who really like or dislike it. Isn't it > therefore more productive to ask what *most* current and new users are > likely to want, and try to model our defaults based on that (while of > course doing our best to respect existing use patterns)? For new features, certainly. But we are talking about changing existing features that users had years to get used to. The judgment calls are different in that case, and so is the importance of what others might dislike. And no, I don't consider telling users to turn off font-lock a legitimate solution.