From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: icon-title-format vs. frame-title-format (Bug#61496) Date: Fri, 05 May 2023 16:31:14 +0300 Message-ID: <83ednuj465.fsf@gnu.org> References: <4920048a-aded-3588-50d2-4bea3c0c096b@web.de> <878re3kppb.fsf@yahoo.com> <83mt2jhvrx.fsf@gnu.org> <874jorklli.fsf@yahoo.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23393"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: tbading@web.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri May 05 15:31:10 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1puvWf-0005ud-Vo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 05 May 2023 15:31:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1puvW0-0002HY-5A; Fri, 05 May 2023 09:30:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1puvVz-0002Fu-7t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 May 2023 09:30:27 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1puvVy-0002Zb-Ej; Fri, 05 May 2023 09:30:26 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=S8m1WA3pt+czRf5RKTjuY4aYN8okiQcbZNtdSE60rmk=; b=E4nQlBwVyyfG 5zemwGLiX8JlTGpE/B7x+8JJZyMtUdzHcsDoiT1YoMA3pebuZ+32QXhb+zGBUYDjmXyfZWxhSU1Nt 9GT5VjpoZDHEUeJoZ+SdmxPST2LxgBSqznLLoeOvMx21bP5eMau9sSdDwkeqhZTFPlNJAWzzZKjNf fn6oa/499eAO5muUUAM4CGwNgr/gsJbpXnsyNvGuC6oUMOC8pFveq1Kbio7eq47xjD5VvdOFLjZNS ZhHEKsqeRvSeahAKyN65B61dRQrio+MctQ7KMHSrujCbEMWr9JgpYik8xOwK0Hc9uFrG+3IIaYnIL 8qQJX8uH7bUc1mah/85jFg==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1puvVt-0004qV-Cz; Fri, 05 May 2023 09:30:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: <874jorklli.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Fri, 05 May 2023 20:29:29 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:305878 Archived-At: > From: Po Lu > Cc: tbading@web.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Fri, 05 May 2023 20:29:29 +0800 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> Anyway, I don't object to explaining what we call ``minimized'', as long > >> as it is confined to some short introductory text in the manual. But we > >> should never use the term ``minimized'' ourselves. > > > > That's not the current policy, and I see no reason to enforce such > > restrictions. So please stop pushing others to adopt your personal > > preferences. > > There are at least two reasons: > > 1. the term ``minimize'' does not make sense, at least on the common > free desktops. > > 2. Emacs minimizes windows, while it iconifies frames. Type M-x > minimize-window RET, then see what happens. I hear you, but I still don't see that as good enough reasons to stop using "minimize frames" as well. I explained my reasons already, and IMO they are more important than the ones you present.