From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@janestreet.com>
Cc: 24531@debbugs.gnu.org, 6149@debbugs.gnu.org,
monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, jidanni@jidanni.org
Subject: bug#24531: process-send-string seems to truncate lines over 4096 characters
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 17:18:34 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83edl1bb5x.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ieredl1v01d.fsf_-_@janestreet.com> (message from Spencer Baugh on Fri, 21 Jul 2023 09:58:38 -0400)
> From: Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@janestreet.com>
> Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>, 24531@debbugs.gnu.org,
> 6149@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org
> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 09:58:38 -0400
>
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
> > The number of applications that (a) don't need console-like behavior
> > and (b) need to send larger-than-4KB buffers to sub-processes is quite
> > small. Which is why this issue comes up only very rarely. So making
> > pipes the default will fix a very small fraction of applications, and
> > break the vast majority -- clearly a wrong balance.
>
> I see your point, but at the same time, the PTY interface on its own is
> not sufficient to make these applications work, not at all. Specialized
> modes are necessary to make M-x term (to implement a terminal) and M-x
> grep (to parse ANSI color codes) and other such programs work. Running
> things in a PTY without such specialized code doesn't give you anything,
> AFAIK, because a PTY alone is far from enough to make the Emacs end
> behave like a terminal. So such programs need to be aware and careful
> about such things anyway, and need additional infrastructure on top of
> make-process. So the default being "pty" gives such programs very
> little: it doesn't save them any complexity.
That Emacs needs to do something doesn't invalidate my point. My
point is that communications via a PTY is a necessary (though a
sufficient) condition for these features. Basically, you cannot use
pipes for any interactive feature, because pipes are buffered.
> However, what about my patch adding a warning about this to
> process-send-string? I think that is independently valuable. Right now
> we have no documentation of this problem...
This should be documented in the ELisp manual, and in more detail, not
just as a vague warning.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-07-21 14:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-05-10 4:14 bug#6149: 24.0.50; shell buffer overflow when input longer than 4096 bytes jidanni
2010-06-01 1:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-07-20 20:15 ` bug#6149: bug#24531: process-send-string seems to truncate lines over 4096 characters Spencer Baugh
2023-07-20 21:21 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-07-21 5:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-21 13:58 ` Spencer Baugh
2023-07-21 14:18 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2023-07-27 1:48 ` bug#6149: " Dmitry Gutov
2023-07-27 5:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-27 13:59 ` Spencer Baugh
2023-07-27 14:51 ` Paul Eggert
2023-07-21 15:09 ` bug#24531: " Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2018-09-28 20:13 ` bug#6149: 24.0.50; shell buffer overflow when input longer than 4096 bytes Charles A. Roelli
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2016-09-24 23:38 bug#24531: process-send-string seems to truncate lines over 4096 characters talwrii talwrii
2016-09-26 8:36 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2016-09-26 10:23 ` Andreas Schwab
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