From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Fiddling with the menus (was: bug#4043: 23.1; thanks for emacs 23!) Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 21:51:51 +0300 Message-ID: <83d474lt14.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83r5vklx9x.fsf@gnu.org> <83iqgwlvak.fsf@gnu.org> <83fxc0lupm.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1249843953 17951 80.91.229.12 (9 Aug 2009 18:52:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 18:52:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: xah@xahlee.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lennart Borgman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 09 20:52:25 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MaDVH-0001fA-Ak for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 20:52:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54491 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MaDVG-00047P-R0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 14:52:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MaDUv-00040O-LX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 14:52:01 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MaDUu-0003zV-0n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 14:52:00 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=47815 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MaDUt-0003zC-Sz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 14:51:59 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout7.012.net.il ([84.95.2.19]:56043) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MaDUt-0004we-2U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 14:51:59 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.i-mtaout7.012.net.il by i-mtaout7.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0KO400M00HOAFV00@i-mtaout7.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 21:51:52 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.228.224.142]) by i-mtaout7.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0KO40076DHQEO360@i-mtaout7.012.net.il>; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 21:51:51 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (1203?) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:113874 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 20:21:46 +0200 > From: Lennart Borgman > Cc: xah@xahlee.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > I'm saying that subgroups called "advanced" are bad. > > You said > > In a good UI, each feature should be put under a group whose name > gives a hint that the feature could be reasonably looked up in that > group. Having group names such as "Advanced" or "More options", that > have no mnemonic value, is abusing the menus, which are supposed to > make the job of finding a feature _easier_, not harder. Yes, and that goes for subgroups as well.