From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New sync'd branch Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:04:20 +0300 Message-ID: <83d46gcnsb.fsf@gnu.org> References: <878wh9qaku.fsf@sphinx.net.ru> <83praic5r5.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1251450284 13772 80.91.229.12 (28 Aug 2009 09:04:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:04:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: joakim@verona.se Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 28 11:04:37 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MgxNj-0001Hk-OT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:04:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46395 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MgxNj-0001E0-72 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 05:04:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MgxNc-00017e-5K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 05:04:20 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MgxNZ-00014N-Us for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 05:04:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=48928 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MgxNZ-000146-P8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 05:04:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout2.012.net.il ([84.95.2.4]:11512) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MgxNZ-00048K-4f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 05:04:17 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.i_mtaout2.012.net.il by i_mtaout2.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) id <0KP200M00X25D700@i_mtaout2.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:04:15 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.228.144.38]) by i_mtaout2.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) with ESMTPA id <0KP200A0HX73QQ70@i_mtaout2.012.net.il>; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:04:15 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 9.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:114729 Archived-At: > From: joakim@verona.se > Cc: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org, > dima@sphinx.net.ru, miles@gnu.org > Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:47:23 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> From: Stefan Monnier > >> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:04:41 -0400 > >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Dmitry Dzhus > >> > >> - the downside of course is that people who want to work on or play with > >> the Emacs-24 branch will need to learn to use Git. > >> > >> How does that sound? > > > > Not good at all. I don't want to waste my scarce time to learn Git, > > in addition to Bzr. > > It would be interesting to know the needs you see that makes you make > this statement. Actually, I don't have a good idea what I will need, because for that I would need to study git at least to some degree, won't I? What's below is just the beginning. > - make local copy of remote repos > - hack > - fetch changes from upstream > - provide patch for emacs-devel to ridicule > > which is about 3 scm commands. It seems to be a small investment even > for the interim. > > I'm sure, though, that you need to do more complex things I'm missing. > > Now that I use git I do more stuff like local branching, having several > remote branches to sync with, etc, but one doesn't have to do those kinds > of things. First, you are probably working on GNU/Linux most of the time. By contrast, most of my Emacs development is on MS-Windows, where installing git is an adventure at best. Last time I looked (I'd love to learn things changed since then), most of git were Unixy shell scripts, which means I will need to install Cygwin or MSYS. Each one of these needs its own share of learning, tweaking, and getting used to. If I had this kind of time, I'd probably install GNU/Linux ion the first place. Then I already have several local sandboxes: the trunk, the 23_1_RC branch, a sandbox where I build and test the DOS port, and now the bidi branch. It's confusing as it is already; learning how to do that with 2 new tools (Bzr and git) will take more time -- time I don't have. I prefer not to do that if there's a good alternative.