From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19468: 25.0.50; UI inconveniences with M-. Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 17:50:55 +0300 Message-ID: <83d22owblc.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83zja6b3tc.fsf@gnu.org> <54A24079.4020902@yandex.ru> <54A2FF47.6010207@yandex.ru> <54A86135.7080004@yandex.ru> <54A90002.7080009@gmx.at> <54A9C3FB.7000602@yandex.ru> <54AA3881.3080304@gmx.at> <54ABBB47.7010603@yandex.ru> <837fszx7iy.fsf@gnu.org> <83pp6pwqnw.fsf@gnu.org> <553EB4F4.1090704@yandex.ru> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1430232846 17705 80.91.229.3 (28 Apr 2015 14:54:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 14:54:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 19468@debbugs.gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 28 16:53:53 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Yn6tT-0001el-2e for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2015 16:53:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33922 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yn6tS-0008Sb-7f for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2015 10:53:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35243) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yn6rn-0005kr-Eb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2015 10:52:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yn6rj-00066L-1D for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2015 10:52:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:53086) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yn6ri-00066H-Tu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2015 10:52:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Yn6ri-0002ob-OA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2015 10:52:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 14:52:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19468 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 19468-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19468.143023267410755 (code B ref 19468); Tue, 28 Apr 2015 14:52:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 19468) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Apr 2015 14:51:14 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42862 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Yn6qu-0002nO-VE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2015 10:51:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:50885) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Yn6qq-0002mv-JY for 19468@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2015 10:51:09 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NNI00400UKGAS00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for 19468@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2015 17:51:02 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NNI004QQUL1AI00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Tue, 28 Apr 2015 17:51:02 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <553EB4F4.1090704@yandex.ru> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:102163 Archived-At: > Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 01:15:16 +0300 > From: Dmitry Gutov > CC: 19468@debbugs.gnu.org > > I certainly hope that at least the Semantic one materializes soon > enough, otherwise it sounds like all this move to xref was for the > benefit of unbundled packages, and users of Emacs are just punished by > having to learn a new UI for no real advantage. > > It's probably up to CEDET developers. I hope they are reading this. (Personally, I'd expect the back-ends for at least the most popular languages be ready before the switch to the new API and the new UI, but that's me.) > But the UI itself is one of the benefits. If the old one was considered superior, the new API could have been introduced without really changing the UI. I didn't ask for the old UI; I can still have it if I want it. This bug report is about improving the new UI. > . The doc string of xref-find-function mentions several variants of > invoking the function, but there doesn't seem to be any way of > controlling that when invoking the function interactively, is > there? I think it would be good to be able to lookup only the > definitions or only the references of a symbol. > > There seems some confusion here: you do now invoke xref-find-function. It's not a function anyway, it's a variable, which different backends can set to implement the backend interface. Then the confusion is the doc string's fault: it should make this aspect clear. And if there are no back-ends currently that support these options, I'd suggest to remove that from the doc string -- we shouldn't advertise in the docs stuff that no one implemented. > Not from me: I've been told in this discussion that I don't understand > the new UI, don't appreciate its many virtues, and generally am no > more than an obstacle on the way of progress. > > I really don't remember stating that in this discussion. Indeed, you didn't. But you are not alone in this discussion.