From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20540: 25.0.50; Document tooltip woes, including `help-echo' Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 05:48:46 +0300 Message-ID: <83d229no4x.fsf@gnu.org> References: <795eb88f-e9e7-4728-82d8-32d0caea52fb@default> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1431226162 8546 80.91.229.3 (10 May 2015 02:49:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 02:49:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 20540@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 10 04:49:11 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YrHIk-0002Dw-AX for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 10 May 2015 04:49:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60882 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YrHIj-0003PS-SY for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 May 2015 22:49:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46254) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YrHIf-0003PA-Tq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 May 2015 22:49:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YrHIc-0002yG-Np for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 May 2015 22:49:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:58052) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YrHIc-0002yC-KA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 May 2015 22:49:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YrHIc-0007Mm-4O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 May 2015 22:49:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 02:49:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20540 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 20540-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20540.143122611928288 (code B ref 20540); Sun, 10 May 2015 02:49:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20540) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 May 2015 02:48:39 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39794 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YrHIF-0007MC-1y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 May 2015 22:48:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:49340) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YrHIB-0007Lw-KS for 20540@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 May 2015 22:48:36 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NO400C00507CD00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 20540@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 May 2015 05:48:29 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NO400CZ854S3150@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sun, 10 May 2015 05:48:29 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <795eb88f-e9e7-4728-82d8-32d0caea52fb@default> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:102629 Archived-At: > Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 16:27:05 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > > 1. If you create a tooltip using, say, `x-show-tip', you can control the > font, text color and size, background color, etc. Well, only some frame > parameters seem to have any effect, when passed in argument PARMS. Just > which parameters can or cannot be used for PARMS should be documented. > > 2. The word `tooltip' is hardly mentioned in the doc. Another doc fix > would be to document `tooltip-mode' properly in the Elisp manual, saying > which frame parameters you can use for `tooltip-frame-parameters', etc. > > 3. A related bug in `tooltip.el' is that the defcustom for > `tooltip-frame-parameters' has no :type. Impossible for a user to > customize the value properly using Customize. And no help about which > parameters can be used effectively (see #2, above). > > 4. `help-echo': No doc saying whether the string can be propertized, and > if so, which properties have any effect. Although `x-show-tip' seems to > let you change the char size, color, background color, etc., and you can > use property `display' with `help-echo', apparently you cannot change > the face attributes of the `help-echo' string so that the appearance > changes. This is quite a limitation, AFAICT. > > All of this kind of thing should be documented: what you can and cannot > do - which parameters have an effect. You can make `help-echo' show an > image instead of text, but you cannot simply change the text appearance > of a `help-echo' string? How are users supposed to guess what is > possible? Should be documented. You've omitted the facts you've found, for some reason. That's a bad idea: since no one really knows about these limitations, if you want to raise the chances that this bug report will be acted upon, I urge you to describe everything you tried and found not to work, so that whoever takes upon this task will have the "bread-crumbs" to go by. Otherwise, researching this issue from scratch is an unpleasant task that is unlikely to find its volunteer. Thanks.