From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20924: 25.0.50; (elisp) `Sticky Properties` Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 17:28:36 +0300 Message-ID: <83d20e612j.fsf@gnu.org> References: <614981ac-642e-448d-9f3c-4c8efabb1f1f@default> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1435588164 3512 80.91.229.3 (29 Jun 2015 14:29:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 14:29:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 20924@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 29 16:29:13 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9a3c-0008SC-4E for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 16:29:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42447 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9a3b-0008MB-FH for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 10:29:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59219) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9a3X-0008M1-AE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 10:29:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9a3S-0002e9-AJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 10:29:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:59833) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9a3S-0002e5-6y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 10:29:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9a3R-0006wv-Re for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 10:29:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 14:29:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20924 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 20924-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20924.143558812426681 (code B ref 20924); Mon, 29 Jun 2015 14:29:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20924) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Jun 2015 14:28:44 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33046 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9a39-0006wH-DK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 10:28:43 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout28.012.net.il ([80.179.55.184]:42541) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9a36-0006w3-LB for 20924@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 10:28:42 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout28.012.net.il by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NQP00K00MRREF00@mtaout28.012.net.il> for 20924@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 17:28:20 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NQP00B5PMV8W5A0@mtaout28.012.net.il>; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 17:28:20 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <614981ac-642e-448d-9f3c-4c8efabb1f1f@default> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:104480 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 18:47:28 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > > The first sentence is misleading: > > Self-inserting characters normally take on the same properties as the > preceding character. > > Is it about the characters themselves or about self-insertion of > those characters? The latter, because of the plural tense. "Self-inserting characters" is a shorthand for "characters bound to a command that just inserts the character which invoked it". > The rest of the node says, for example, that `insert' inserts without > inheritance. Doesn't that mean that if you pass a string of > self-inserting chars to `insert' then they will not inherit from the > char before the insertion? No. According to my clarification above, there's no such thing as "a string of self-inserting characters", only "a string of characters". Any character can be inserted by an explicit call to 'insert'. I guess the confusion here is between 'insert' the name of a primitive and "insert" as part of "self-inserting", where "insert" is used in its everyday meaning. I see no other unclear issues here. > It would be clearer to just say that: they inherit when they are > self-inserted. We cannot "self-insert" a character, so saying that would be a mistake.