From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 21:06:16 +0200 Message-ID: <83d1s17npz.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87mvr9wxqz.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87io1xwq1e.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87vb5wvzfz.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87io1wt4cc.fsf@wanadoo.es> <8737syoima.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <871t8iu277.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83d1s28kvh.fsf@gnu.org> <87r3gis7sm.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83twle71xy.fsf@gnu.org> <87io1us0te.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83pow26svf.fsf@gnu.org> <87a8n5srbp.fsf@wanadoo.es> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1455303997 1574 80.91.229.3 (12 Feb 2016 19:06:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 19:06:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 12 20:06:32 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aUJ2x-0005yJ-17 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 20:06:27 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35526 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aUJ2w-0008PS-7g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:06:26 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37228) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aUJ2s-0008Mp-2V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:06:22 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aUJ2o-0001W0-QU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:06:22 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:37514) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aUJ2o-0001Vw-Np; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:06:18 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2516 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aUJ2o-00057R-23; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 14:06:18 -0500 In-reply-to: <87a8n5srbp.fsf@wanadoo.es> (message from =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93sca?= =?utf-8?Q?r?= Fuentes on Fri, 12 Feb 2016 19:42:50 +0100) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:199829 Archived-At: > From: Óscar Fuentes > Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 19:42:50 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> ñ shall match ñ, but n shall not match either, from an Spaniard POV. > > > > But in the case of 2 characters, a literal n is present in the buffer, > > so not finding it would be a miss, don't you think? > > Then you are not thinking as an Spaniard, but as someone who is versed > on character representations by computers. Aren't there Spaniards who are also versed on character representations by computers? > In practice, n matching ñ (the composed one) will not be a big issue, > since it will happen rarely. Same for the rest of compositions that > looks like ñ but are not "the" ñ. If someone complains, we can explain > what the problem is and that we opted for handling such compositions as > groups of characters. So you do think this, too, is not a problem? > > What about finding ⒜ when searching for a, don't you want to find > > that? This is not specific to any language. > > That would be nice, sometimes. If I search for (a), should it match ⒜? I don't know. What do you think? > What if I wish to replace all occurrences of (a) by [1]? Do you really > want to go down that route? I don't think so, no. > But we are digressing. Eli, you are missing the point. If you wish to > set Emacs defaults as per the convenience of people who think of text as > a series of codes at the expense of breaking basic expectations of those > who see text as... text, well, frankly, I don't think it is a good > decision. I was trying to develop a dialogue which will help me and you understand where your resistance begins and where it ends. I think it's important to do that to better understand the issues, but if you don't want that, we can stop any moment.